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The Conservative Party: Where do we go from here?

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Gigabit, Jun 10, 2017.

  1. UTmaniac

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    Tearful because her "Brexit legacy" is in tatters, even it it would have destroyed the country's economic wealth for the coming decades.
     
  2. VincentHanna

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    Conservatives lowered the deficit from 8% to 2%

    Debt to GDP rose from 75% to 85% though in the same time.
     
  3. Skillmister

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    This.
     
  4. StriderX

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    Lowering it only matter ms if you can keep it that way, and their policies have ensured that can never happen. The economic damage to the country to youths and increasing in work poverty, along with brexit will mean we’ll be forced to increase to deal with it.

    Saying these things is just political grandstanding with no actual vision.

    She has now paved the way for Boris to further destroy the country.
     
  5. D.P.

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    Expected, and she was awful, but this really spells the end fo the Conservative party. All the potential leaders are catastrophic
     
  6. garnett

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    Yes, me too. She's always talked about the need (for other people) to compromise... And said a 2nd referendum would be divisive...

    While she used the most divisive tactics possible, forever trying to use the fear of No-Deal to scare remainers and the fear of no-Brexit to scare Brexiteers.

    Her actions did more than anything else to thwart consensus and aggravate the schisms in the nation...

    ... And then what brought her down was her final effort to offer the feintest hint of the feintest hint of the possibility of a 2nd ref... Which failed to bring in Remainers, but succeeded in driving away Brexiteers.

    Absolutely stubborn and blind to her faults.
     
  7. StriderX

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    It’s going to be so cool that 0.1% of the country get to elect someone, kinda an unelected bureaucrat Amirit?

    Where’s all the brexiteers to say how anti democratic it is?
     
  8. chroniclard

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    I admire her for trying to get some form of Brexit done and her tenacity, otherwise a terrible PM all told.
     
  9. VincentHanna

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    Peter Bone on BBC again claiming that people voted to leave the EU with No deal.

    Sick of this BS.
     
  10. montymint

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    Peter Bone man...

    He's a worm
     
  11. robfosters

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    Who should get to elect the tory leader then?
     
  12. HEADRAT

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    She should have gone when she lost her majority in 2017, there was no way she was ever going to get Brexit through with no Parliamentary majority
     
  13. VincentHanna

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    It's fair that party members elect the leader.

    Is it fair that citizens of the UK then don't get to decide in a GE if that's who they really want as PM?

    Same happened with Labour, nobody really wanted Brown.
     
  14. cheesyboy

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    She talked some utter **** there. Off the top of my head:

    Environment: Tories cancelled all onshore wind projects as soon as they had a majority. And they've ****** nuclear so badly that we'll be relying on coal and gas for decades.
    Mental health: The budgets for mental health services are lower than when the Tories entered government.
     
  15. StriderX

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    At least she had the wherewithal to hold a GE to make her rein legitimate, too bad the reasoning was flawed. No doubt Boris won’t even think about it.
     
  16. robfosters

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    In a GE, you elect a party to lead the country for a five year term. You shouldn’t get a choice as to who leads the party, that’s down to the party members. If it changes halfway through then that’s the parties business. You get your chance to vote them out at the next election.
     
  17. VincentHanna

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    It matters when that person, unelected by 99.8% of the nation, is the one charged with changing the course of the countries future for the long-term by taking them out of the EU.

    Like StriderX said, at least Theresa May called a GE, even if it massively backfired on her.
     
  18. Uther

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    Problem with that is it's possible that you could vote someone in that could be reasonable, and then they step down and you get a real lunatic taking over...
     
  19. robfosters

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    But you elected the party, personnel have nothing to do with it. You don’t get to choose the brexit secretary do you? The prime minister leads the party, they appoint people in the top jobs. When they go, the party members elect a new leader. Why should you, a blatant tory hater, get a chance to choose their leader? The word sabotage comes to mind.
     
  20. VincentHanna

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    I don't want to elect their leader.

    I want a say on whether they should represent me after they become my Prime minister.