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The Conservative Party: Where do we go from here?

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Gigabit, Jun 10, 2017.

  1. 2013

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    After this will we get a general election or will the job just be passed on like the last time ?
     
  2. StriderX

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    That is the system as it stands... a leader is not required legally in any way. It's literally just a convention.

    We have a head of state and parliament/MP's are sovereign, not the prime minister, it's irrelevant mind you.
     
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  3. Murphy

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    How many times does it need to be said, you don't vote for a party to run the country, you firstly vote for a politician to do what he thinks in his faithful and disinterested judgement is right and necessary for the honour and safety of Great Britain, secondly you vote for a politician to represent his/her constituents, and lastly you vote for a politician based on his/her duty to the party organization or programme.

    Voting for a party to run the country should be the last thing on your list of reasons to vote for somebody.
    Do you think this...



    Would change their minds?
     
  4. JeditOjanen

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    To quote Lucifer: better to reign in Hell than to serve in Heaven.
     
  5. Dolph

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    To be fair, you only need to look at this forum, or this thread, to see irrationality, inconsistency, critical thinking failures and hypocrisy on clear display, and this forum population is better than the population as a whole.

    The single biggest problem facing society at the moment is the idea that all opinions are equally valid and should be given equal merit. This is abject nonsense on stilts when talking about objective, well understood ideas and principles.
     
  6. SPG

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    So failed Right wing ideology over the past 30 years that has made everyone think its the norm ? So your blaming the system now as its failed.... Nice work.
     
  7. Dolph

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    What a great example of what I mean. Delusional lack of understanding of what actually goes on, especially since the time frame you chose includes the utter collapse of the east who embraced leftwing authoritarianism.
     
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  8. StriderX

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    You mean like China? I think "utter collapse" is surely a tad off the mark.
     
  9. BowdonUK

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    So far the debates are;

    Sunday Channel 4 - 6:30pm to 8pm - minus Boris.
    Tuesday BBC1 - 8pm to 9pm

    Is there any more debates?

    I think the next round of voting happens on Tuesday night and the bar is 32 supporting votes. Anyone failing to meet 32 votes will be eliminated.
     
  10. StriderX

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    Do the debates even matter? The only interesting thing will be if Boris messes it up, otherwise they're totally irrelevant drivel.

    Mind you, could you imagine if Gove beat him by one vote? I'd legitimately lol.
     
  11. Mr Jack

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    David David was dead certain to beat Cameron until they gave their conference speeches.
     
  12. Dolph

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    There were over 40 countries under communist rule in the 1980s, there are now 5, of which only one can be considered economically successful (China) and exactly none provide an acceptable human rights standard.
     
  13. chrcoluk

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    Why we talking about communism when we have no communist parties?
     
  14. SPG

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    Because right wing politics over the past 30 has moved the left to the centerground which is pretty much where Thatcher and Reagan started it all anything past this is now a communist threat.

    Socialism is a dirty word, thanks for the mass media and their right wing owners.
     
  15. Dolph

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    Socialism is a dirty word because it's a failed, abusive ideology in practice, not because of any ludicrous conspiracy.

    As I said, a lack of critical thinking and reason.
     
  16. robgmun

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    And history has proven him right
     
  17. robgmun

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    And China only became successful because it adopted a Capitalist approach, it saw how successful Hong Kong was in the 90's and copied how it did business. Before then the people were dirt poor and eating animals we'd find unbelieve otherwise they would've starved to death.
     
  18. Lord-Jaffa

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    I heard socialism was going well in Venezuela.
     
  19. robfosters

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    Socialism = equal poverty for all
     
  20. DarkHorizon472

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    Suggesting socialism has nothing to offer is like suggesting the free market opposite has nothing to offer. Socialism provided the nhs, workers rights, welfare support, free state education, corrected market failures. The opposite view gives free market efficiency and competition as a driving force. Either by itself can be very damaging which is why the balance of both is needed correct for whatever situation you are looking at. The current government is at the moment doing a strange combination taking the worst of both sides.