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The Conservative Party: Where do we go from here?

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Gigabit, Jun 10, 2017.

  1. cheesyboy

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    Select the person whose philosophy will decide the direction of the country through Brexit, which will have ripples for the next 20+ years.
     
  2. JeditOjanen

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    You missed the secondary polls where 46% of the 892 Tories polled said they would happily accept Nigel Fashfrog as the leader of the Conservatives, and only 15% would want a leader with good domestic policies if they didn't like that leader's Brexit plan.

    It's also interesting to look at the unweighted distribution of the poll. Almost half of the sample was aged 65+, while barely over a quarter were aged under 50. And over 80% of them are ABC1s.
     
  3. satchef1

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    I'm still struggling to understand how Boris is so far ahead. He's about as much of a "career politician" and member of the "political elite" as it's possible to get, coming from a wealthy political dynasty and having done nothing but the classic "journalism and politics" pairing since leaving University.

    So basically, he's the antithesis of what most people say they want to see in our politics. But he's also really popular. It's bizarre.

    I suppose it ties in to this "cult of Brexit" idea though; nothing matters but leaving the EU. They'd vote for Hitler if he said he'd take us out tomorrow.
     
  4. Mr Badger

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    Don't be ridiculous. What sort of ridiculous political system would allow such an unrepresentative group to have such power?
     
  5. DarkHorizon472

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    It’s about time if they are going to split up the UK and trash the economy they explained what the substantial real life benefits are. Belief and vague sound bites no one can back up are not enough.

    * just noticed they also have no issue destroying their own party to get brexit, this is either madness or mass infiltration by brexit extremists (removes tin foil hat).
     
  6. Mr Jack

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    The tables are here if anyone wants to read them; to me the most interesting point is that Raab is very nearly as popular as Boris with the members.

    Surely the weighted distribution is more interesting, as that reflects the actual makeup of the members? The big difference is a much more balanced 18-49 and 65+ division. Also interesting is that there doesn't seem to be any meaningful age-based difference of opinion within the Tory Faithful on any of these questions, in fact the only sub-division that seems to mean much is regional.
     
  7. Mr Badger

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    It may seem hypocritical that they support posh, embedded establishment figures such as Farage and BoJo. However, sticking it to Johnny Foreigner with a bit of bumbling bigotry and some simplistic soundbites promising easy solutions goes a long way with the target audience.
     
  8. satchef1

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    Is anyone arguing that there are "substantial real life benefits"? Looks to me like the argument has moved on to "we don't care".
     
  9. DarkHorizon472

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    It looks like the end times of a religious cult at the moment.
     
  10. VincentHanna

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    The whole thread is pretty worrying:

     
  11. StriderX

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    Any shy Tory wanting to admit they're going to allow this death cult to destroy their country? Any takers? No?

    Guess you'll just vote for them anyway though.
     
  12. Rroff

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    It is something I find disturbing - the number of people from all kinds of political allegiances in this country who'll listen to even seem to agree with why something is so bad but then still vote for it/"their" party anyhow.
     
  13. doodah

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    I thought partisanship was bad in the US but we seem to be playing catch-up.
     
  14. StriderX

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    Will be interesting to see how long until the public get the guillotines out, should probably wear less suits and drive less expensive cars soon.
     
  15. Rroff

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    It is coming these people have no idea they are being manipulated and don't believe/won't accept they can be.
     
  16. Colonel_Klinck

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    We need a 2019 Guy Fawkes to step the **** up!
     
  17. cheesyboy

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    Ahh, gotcha :D
     
  18. JRS

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    You know it's a great time to be alive when the satirists and parody-makers are writing stuff like this...and it sounds more plausible than Real Life™...

    :D
     
  19. DarkHorizon472

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    Your right it is very strange, I can understand tactical voting but this is something entirely different.
     
  20. Usher

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    So let me get this straight, you think splitting up the UK is somehow a bad thing? all the remainers clearly want ever closer ties with the EU (because that's exactly what you will get) but suddenly think splitting up the UK is bad, you even think that leavers long for the good old days when Britain ruled the world etc? Why ??

    Why do you think Scotland has free prescriptions, more spending on public services and free tuition fees ? check the difference in central government spending per head compared to the rest of the UK and then work out if Scotland going it alone will keep it up.

    The same applies to Northern Ireland which is another funding drain seeing as the UK exchequer provides a £10.8 billion subsidy every year.