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The Conservative Party: Where do we go from here?

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Gigabit, Jun 10, 2017.

  1. StriderX

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    Well it wont matter will it, what do you think will be the outcome after this failed party gets booted after Brexit? Corbyn.

    There's also no guarantee that Boris is enough to deal with the inevitable surge in Labour vote closer to a hypothetical GE (which did happen rather abundantly in 2017 such that noone won).

    Frankly Boris's only option is to get rid of Scotland if he wants to be king of the ashes as the SNP are always going to be against the Tories from this point and they will almost certainly always win the vast majority of seats up north with such poor actors in Westminster.
     
  2. cheesyboy

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    Urgh.
     
  3. The_Abyss

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    To be fair to Raab, he's probably only just learned what prorogue actually means. After all, this is a man who didn't have anything other than a superficial understanding of the Good Friday Agreement and hadn't realised the importance of the Channel Tunnel - all while he was Brexit Secretary.
     
  4. StriderX

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    I'm surprised he survived school, probably had his teachers paid off to advance him.
     
  5. do_ron_ron

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    How about NOT going down either path? This is people's lives we are talking about. We have had 10 years of austerity and you are talking about adding either another twenty or thirty years onto it.
     
  6. chroniclard

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    Possibly, though I really dont see Labour as particularly extreme. Would be better if they were not as far left though.
     
  7. do_ron_ron

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    Seems to be par for Govt Ministers. Grayling has carried on despite abysmal failure in everything he touches.
     
  8. Rroff

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    Labour no, atleast Labour of the past couple of decades or so in its various flavours hasn't been particularly extreme, but you have a leader with tendencies towards a hotchpotch of radical socialist ideals backed up by people with died in the wool Marxist backgrounds/histories and those of that kind of type, etc. and people that invested in an ideology rarely if ever change their spots - they just tend to become more sophisticated over time at how they approach attaining their ideals and the image they present.

    Personally I think the country needs a period of more moderate Labour influence to bring things back towards some kind of balance but I have severe reservations that will happen under Labour with those currently in positions of influence without a lot of extra baggage that the country absolutely doesn't need.
     
  9. efish

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    80's that sent us off on the road to where we are now. 30 years plus of things being very rough for the most vulnerable in society. Huge gap in expectation between rich and poor.

    Massive spike in resentment and despair. With no end in sight and further serious division ahead.

    Add a couple of 'decades of recovery' onto the 40 years from the 80's and Thatcher, that's 60 years of suffering, child poverty, food banks, premature death and poverty for a considerable section of our society. Along with the stress of being blamed for it all and told you are worthless.

    With no end in sight.
     
  10. Rroff

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    So how do we fix that?
     
  11. StriderX

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    By actually listening to experts without political incentive, by telling the honest truth without some unicorn fantasy being hoisted upon people for temporary reprieve, much too hard under the current system, without a massive shift in governance, it is irresolvable. We will continue to divide into legions of hate.

    We've had half a century, if it wasn't solved in that period, it simply can't be, not without drastic action, which we're about to see whether we want it or not. Your idea of plodding along hoping the duct tape doesn't fall off, is never going to work, a moderate labour isn't enough, there needs to be a concerted effort to erase this awful methodology of governance and not being afraid to make everyone unhappy.

    Unfortunately right now we can only hope that hung parliaments continue.
     
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  12. Tony Edwards

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    Thats not exactly true.

    The instance you are talking about is when Jewish leaders talked to Pompeo about the 'threat to Jews in the UK' if Corbyn became the PM and Im assuming started to throw Jews out or some other crazy conspiracy nonsense that the Jewish leaders have come up with, then the US wouldnt allow it. But lets be honest the UK wouldnt allow that sort of stuff anyway and is just so crazy I cant even fathom the mindset of someone that goes there.

    Its crazy conspiracy nonsense of the level antisemites would rightly be hauled over the coals for yet Jewish leaders can say stuff like that and the media can report it and no one even bats an eye at how bat **** crazy it sounds to a rational person but the dislike for Corbyn allows it to go unchallenged. Fairly sad state of affairs really

    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...leaked-recording-corbyn-labour-jewish-leaders
    Lets be honest most of them also think any Labour PM would be worse. So swings and roundabouts really.

    Gah talking about Corbyn in the Tory thread again.
     
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  13. Dolph

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    This may come as a shock, but objective reality doesn't really support this.

    People in the UK, comparatively, are very well off and well treated. Sure, we could do better, but first world problems.

    Irrational feelings of injustice or jealousy aren't actually things we should treat as objective.
     
  14. Dolph

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    Because its relevant, it provides a benchmark to compare the terrible quality of the Tories against, because ultimately we can only choose what's on offer.
     
  15. robgmun

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    Yes, don't be surprised if Boris votes go down a little and Hunts goes up by a fair bit. But this is by design
     
  16. kindai

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    Rory gone
     
  17. chrismscotland

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    Ah well Rory out, there goes any chance of sanity
     
  18. robgmun

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    Rory Stewart OUT!
     
  19. Dolph

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    Well, there's the last chance of anyone sensible getting in. Stewart out.
     
  20. Mr Badger

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    Utterly mental.