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The Conservative Party: Where do we go from here?

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Gigabit, Jun 10, 2017.

  1. singularity

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    it's the system, you don't like the result, ok, make the argument for a different system.

    At the end of the day that great reformist Nick Clegg gave it a shot and introduced the fixed length parliament.
     
  2. singularity

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    so how would you describe French and German nationalism, even Italy, Spain and I'm sure many more.
    So I'm not sure national identity has much to do with the eu
     
  3. StriderX

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    Has it now, explain then why London provides 30% of the countries GDP and the Service sector is almost 80% of the economy if that's the case? Clearly failed to serve itself well if it literally died.
     
  4. DarkHorizon472

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    That was a very revealing response.
     
  5. VincentHanna

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    Like Brexiteers did with the EU?

    Oh right....
     
  6. singularity

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    great
     
  7. singularity

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    lol, there's a lot more to culture than economics mate,

    Go and learn a bit of history and maybe visit a few other countries, who knows you might like it there.
     
  8. StriderX

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    Nah i'd rather stay here and erase the boomer legacy of self destruction frankly, thankfully they've begun that journey themselves with the death of this decrepit selfish party.
     
  9. singularity

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    Err, they did we're supposed to be leaving,
    Like Brexiteers did with the EU?
     
  10. chroniclard

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    Our national identity is bigotry, intolerance, stupidity, benefit scrounging, football hooliganism and chips.
     
  11. do_ron_ron

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    What the next PM can do has been defined by May and her red lines. All that will happen is the next PM will inherit the poisoned chalice and have a very short premiership.
     
  12. efish

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    No

    Countries and their inhabitants believe in themselves and in the values of the nation. Some people go a step further and view themselves and their own nation as superior to other nations and other people. This is known as exceptionalisim.
    You may disagree with who label is to be attached to, but I don't think many people would disagree that exceptionalisim is not a good thing.
     
  13. efish

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    Yes but the issue and fault really lies with the morons that put salt and vinegar on this product rather than salt and sauce as any civilized well bred and cultured individual would.
     
  14. do_ron_ron

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    So unless you are a Brexiteer you do not believe in yourself or your country. Who gave Brexiteers a monopoly on patriotism? Or is it the usual Fail/Express line that anyone who does not conform to their idealised vision is a traitor? Farage has a destructive cult because it is not founded in fact, just belief that we will succeed because something happened sometime in the past and it magically will happen again.
     
  15. singularity

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    really? You need to get out more
     
  16. Rroff

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    Spend any time in some of the popular holiday resorts and you'd get that impression...
     
  17. chroniclard

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    Heathen!
     
  18. singularity

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    spend any time away from them and you won't,
     
  19. Dolph

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    What makes you think the withdrawal agreement could ever have been different when it has to be independent of the future relationship, and include provisions to manage the risk of failure of the separated future relationship discussion?

    To imply there was some alternative withdrawal agreement available is pretty dishonest even if it suits your narrative.
     
  20. FishFluff

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    What would the point of Stewart as PM be? His plan is essentially 'do what Theresa May did and hope for the best'.