The Deadly Beauty of the Tracer Bullet

Forde said:
@Tefal, didn't you bother to read the next paragraph?
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staggering 250,000 bullets have been fired by U.S. forces in Iraq for every insurgent killed.
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Aside from the fact that the majority of those bullets have been fired in the united states of America and not in Iraq?





Also it's not from a government report either

A 2007 U.S. government report
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it's a quote from a third party group.


a press quote at that not even a quote taken from a report they made.


You could write for the daily mail with that sort of misrepresentation..
 
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Ahleckz said:
I only checked a few, and they were picture sources (my internet is very slow and didn't have the time to check them all). Though, what I did also mean was to directly link the bibliography with the sources in the text. A simple (4) after the anecdote, for example, would be sufficient.
Though I would do it as you would in an academic piece, for example it would read - "there were a quarter of a million rounds used per insurgent death (John, 2008)". Then in your source list you'll have "John, M., 2008. John Knows It All. Glasgow:Penguin"
Just makes it easier for people to find out more.

Not a criticism in the slightest, just suggesting that you should make the sources and the stories link up better.
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I know what you mean and it would be better like that. EG want me to up a source list at the end though :rolleyes:
 
Tefal said:
Aside from the fact that the majority of those bullets have been fired in the united states of America and not in Iraq?

Also it's not from a government report either

it's a quote from a third party group.

a press quote at that not even a quote taken from a report they made.

You could write for the daily mail with that sort of misrepresentation..
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I do see what you're saying. The US forces that are in Iraq have still fired those bullets, though.




But please don't call my work bull**** though based on a very small point. The people behind the keyboards are real and comments do affect them. I wrote this for fun and posted here because I like the community and thought it'd be a nice break from the 'spec me' threads etc.

I won't be posting anymore articles.
 
Same but you can find the article through the main page. As for the article itself, pictures are cool I suppose and the writing itself is already good enough for Daily Mail.
 
Forde said:
The people behind the keyboards are real and comments do affect them. I wrote this for fun and posted here because I like the community and thought it'd be a nice break from the 'spec me' threads etc.

I won't be posting anymore articles.
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There are a number of don’t know it all professional nitpickers here. They try and make out that they are clever but they are not. Don’t let it get to you and just ignore them.

I’m looking forward to your next article. :)
 
simulatorman said:
There are a number of don’t know it all professional nitpickers here. They try and make out that they are clever but they are not. Don’t let it get to you and just ignore them.

I’m looking forward to your next article. :)
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What a lovely thing to say. Thanks, that's cheered me up :D
 
Forde said:
I do see what you're saying. The US forces that are in Iraq have still fired those bullets, though.
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The British army in northern Ireland fired billions of bullets to kill terrorists...


Still a massive misrepresentation but by your standards true.
 
Tefal said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...use-250000-for-every-rebel-killed-508299.html


lol the "calculation" is done from the entire expenditure of ammunition by the army.


ie they've included every round fired in training even on American soil in the "kill to bullet ratio".


So it's a hideously inaccurate figure.



the man who pulled this figure of of his anal sphincter said




So yeah he's decided any supplies used in training is counted towards the kill.





So the op didn't spend 30 seconds to google or even read the source he used for the article and as such has pretty much made something up.

and it throws the rest of his work into doubt as it's likely all based on equally bull**** data.
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Well said Tefal.

It is lazy inaccuracies like this that increase criticism of our armed forces for no reason other than media hyperbole

The article was interesting enough, and aside from the inaccurate data, well done to the OP.

Out of interest, what is the Website all about?
 
Forde said:
But please don't call my work bull**** though based on a very small point. The people behind the keyboards are real and comments do affect them. I wrote this for fun and posted here because I like the community and thought it'd be a nice break from the 'spec me' threads etc.

I won't be posting anymore articles.
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Please don't stop, they are interesting and different reads which I enjoy reading. It also made me go and do some further reading about them and associated topics. I was just trying to give some help with referencing which is very important to do properly.
 
Castiel said:
Well said Tefal.

It is lazy inaccuracies like this that increase criticism of our armed forces for no reason other than media hyperbole

The article was interesting enough, and aside from the inaccurate data, well done to the OP.
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I don't understand how people can't read this:

"As a vast percentage of those expended rounds will have been used for suppression, lost, spoiled or spent in a myriad of other ways, THE FIGURE OF A QUARTER OF A MILLION IS UNDOUBTEDLY MISLEADING."


The figure. It's misleading. Maybe I should photoshop sad Keanu saying it.


Castiel said:
Out of interest, what is the Website all about?
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D'you mean Environmental Graffiti?
 
Forde said:
I don't understand how people can't read this:

"As a vast percentage of those expended rounds will have been used for suppression, lost, spoiled or spent in a myriad of other ways, THE FIGURE OF A QUARTER OF A MILLION IS UNDOUBTEDLY MISLEADING."


The figure. It's misleading. Maybe I should photoshop sad Keanu saying it.
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maybe you should source accurate material to begin with.




Forde said:
D'you mean Environmental Graffiti?
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Yes.
 
Castiel said:
maybe you should source accurate material to begin with.
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Far easier said than done. I actually spent quite a while trying pin down actual figures but most of what I could find was pure conjecture found on military forums ("I heard it was xxxxx") or linkage to that article in the Independant. Find me what you would consider a real ratio source then please.
 
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