Poll: The death penalty, are you for or against?

The death penalty, are you for or against?

  • For

    Votes: 221 42.6%

  • Against

    Votes: 243 46.8%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 55 10.6%
  • Total voters
    519
Tute said:
Well there you go then. Better let everyone go free then if we can't be sure.
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So because Richard Dawkins says he's 99.99% sure God doesn't exist he might as well be a Christian?

There are few things you can be 100% sure of, that's why we assign guilt based on 'beyond a reasonable doubt' and not on absolutely certainty.
 
And that's why I wouldn't condone usage of the death penalty without 100% certainty that you:

a) Have the right person
b) Cannot rehabilitate them
c) They will be nothing more than a danger to others for the rest of their life

I'm not suggesting and I would never support a system like America's, which is far too cavalier to work properly.
 
KatanaDV20 said:
This is just not right. Life should be life. They should enter in prison van and leave in long wooden box.
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They can do, i.e. Liam Brady has a 'proper' life sentence.

I certainly do think current sentences are too lenient but I'd say we need certain levels of 'life' imprisonment and not all murders should be given a 'real' life sentence. Each case and person should be judged on merit.

A woman who finally flips and kills her abusive husband for example shouldn't spend their entire life in prison for example, also if you impose lifelong terms on all murders you could create more serial killers as they have nothing to lose after the first murder.
 
drunkenmaster said:
if it was much more limited for cases where there are confessions, video, caught in the act only where there isn't any question.
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Confessions - People have falsely confessed to crimes in the past, sometimes simply to gain notoriety or fame, and in sadder cases because their family has been threatened by the real killers.

Video - Unless it was in HD, with an extreme close up of the murderer's face then this wouldn't be too reliable. CCTV is great as supporting evidence but not on it's own. CCTV videos tend to filmed from a distance and are often grainy and have certainly falsely convicted people before.

Caught In The Act - By whom? Are we to assume no eye witness has ever lied (or been confused) about something they saw.
 
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Tute said:
And that's why I wouldn't condone usage of the death penalty without 100% certainty that you:

a) Have the right person
b) Cannot rehabilitate them
c) They will be nothing more than a danger to others for the rest of their life

I'm not suggesting and I would never support a system like America's, which is far too cavalier to work properly.
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But the point was you can't ever have 100% certainty.
 
Tute said:
And that's why I wouldn't condone usage of the death penalty without 100% certainty that you:

a) Have the right person
b) Cannot rehabilitate them
c) They will be nothing more than a danger to others for the rest of their life

I'm not suggesting and I would never support a system like America's, which is far too cavalier to work properly.
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Why do they, then, deserve death?
 
I look at it from the point of view of saving taxpayer money. If you commit a crime and will spend the rest of your life in prison - why should the taxpayer support you - you'll never be able to turn it around.
 
So we then dictate whether someone deserves to live on those two factors? Who makes the decision?

How can one group condone an individual for killing another, and then sentence that person to death? Is that not hypocrisy?
 
billysielu said:
I look at it from the point of view of saving taxpayer money. If you commit a crime and will spend the rest of your life in prison - why should the taxpayer support you - you'll never be able to turn it around.
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Evidently you have read none of the thread. About two pages back there is a substantial amount of evidence showing that execution cases cost roughly four times the amount that keeping someone in prison for life does.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
So we then dictate whether someone deserves to live on those two factors? Who makes the decision?
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What does it matter who makes the decision? I expect a court would make that decision, as they normally would in the case of sentencing.

How can one group condone an individual for killing another, and then sentence that person to death? Is that not hypocrisy?
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I think you meant condemn rather than condone.

And I really don't see how you can compare the death of an innocent to the death of an evil criminal.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
Because who has the right to decide whether someone deserves to live or not?!?!?! Seriously, who the **** has that right?
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If the death penalty was reinstated, the justice system would have that right.

I did indeed mean condemn, apologies. All lives are of equal value, are they not?
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I personally don't think so. How can the life of a mass-murdering animal be the same as someone who has dedicated their life to (for example) helping the disadvantaged?
 
Tute said:
Because they will never function as a member of society and are always a threat to the innocent as long as they're alive?
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lolZ, now your an expert on whether someone can be rehabilitated or not! :rolleyes:
Many murderers HAVE been rehabilitated and become productive members of our society

Your lack of empathy and ability to think like a rational civilised human being is extremely sad, your burning desire for blood and revenge is quite worrying tbh.
 
C.R.A.Z.Y said:
lolZ, now your an expert on whether someone can be rehabilitated or not! :rolleyes:
Many murderers HAVE been rehabilitated and become productive members of our society
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I don't get where I said that at all?

Your lack of empathy and ability to think like a rational civilised human being is extremely sad, your burning desire for blood and revenge is quite worrying tbh.
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Again with the assumptions.

Last chance, discuss properly or go away.
 
Tute said:
I personally don't think so. How can the life of a mass-murdering animal be the same as someone who has dedicated their life to (for example) helping the disadvantaged?
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BECAUSE the majority of serial killers are mentally SICK!
Can you not understand that simple fact!
 
The right given the justice system by whom? You're not understanding my point, but I don't think I can explain it any more clearly. In my eyes, the judge who allows someone to be killed is as bad as the murdered.

There is a difference in my eyes between value of life and input to society. All life has the same value whether that life is spent behind bars or not.

Clearly you and I sit on very different sides of the argument and that is not going to change for either of us, but my main qualm is the hypocrisy.
 
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