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The Democratic 2020 Primaries

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by BowdonUK, Jun 29, 2019.

  1. BowdonUK

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    I thought I'd start a new thread on this subject as its nothing to do with Trump or the Republican party.

    As anyone been watching the first debates, or read any of the news about them? Do you have a favourite? Or ones to watchlist? Do you think any of them can take on Trump and beat him?

    So here are the Democratic 2020 candidates for the primaries, with wiki pages linked to their names so you can see some background on them;

    Michael Bennet

    Joe Biden

    Cory Booker

    Steve Bullock

    Pete Buttigieg

    Julian Castro

    Bill de Blasio

    John Delaney

    Tulsi Gabbard

    Kirsten Gillibrand

    Mike Gravel

    Kamala Harris

    John Hickenlooper

    Jay Inslee

    Amy Klobuchar

    Wayne Messam

    Seth Moulton

    Beta O'Rourke

    Tim Ryan

    Bernie Sanders

    Joe Sestak

    Eric Swalwell

    Elizabath Warren

    Marianne Williamson

    Andrew Yang
     
  2. StriderX

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    Don't even get why some of them are even bothering, barely polling 1-3% is lolworthy.

    It's clearly a race between Biden, Sanders, Warren and (unlikely) Harris. Biden was royally shafted in the debate though, hopefully the Dem's realise he's a **** and shift.
     
  3. terley

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    I found the debate absolutely abhorrent and a clear example of how messed up the American political system is becoming.

    Firstly each candidate did all they could to "out-left" each-other..

    Secondly they had the conspiracy theorist Rachel Madow chairing the debate who yet again brought up the defunct muller report that she has been parrotting for the past few years.


     
  4. StriderX

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    So literally no different to the Tories here who all tried connecting the dots in a similar manner when asked in the BBC debate?

    And how exactly is the report defunct?
     
  5. terley

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    Tories weren't promisining no limit on abortion, 70-90% tax rates for rich and businesses, open borders and the backwards green new deal that would bankrupt america.

    And perhaps you mis-understood what i said about the muller report, or i didn't write it clearly... Trump will not be charged with collusion with the russians, and at this point Rachel Maddow looks like a crazy person chiming on about it every 2 seconds..
     
  6. Thecaferacer

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    Andrew Yang gave a great interview on the Dave Rubin show. He definitely seems too sensible and real to be the Democrats choice. They want a blue Donald Trump.
     
  7. Tony Edwards

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    I think Strider means in reverse. Apart from the bankrupt bit. Becasue the Tories and BXP are going to bankrupt the UK sooner or latter.
     
  8. terley

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    Not quite as quick as a marxist revolution but you are not wrong.
     
  9. Tony Edwards

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    Good job no party leader is planning a marxist revolution then isnt it.
     
  10. terley

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    Weeellll, i think youd have to be blind to not see that Corbyn would instill marxist inspired policies should he become PM
     
  11. StriderX

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    And yet the will of parliament would not agree with that assessment, the vast majority of Labour seats aren't with him.
     
  12. BowdonUK

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    The one I favour so far from what I've read about her is Tulsi Gabbard. But according to the minutes spoken stats she hardly got chance to speak.

    I think shes the only one that would have enough attraction to some of Trumps base, the veterans. Also in a one on one debate with Trump he would have to tread careful because if he started insulting her like he did McCain he'd lose it instantly.

    But I don't expect her to get through these Democratic primaries. She's anti-war, and the position of both parties seem to be to push for wars and they just debate which is the most immediate at the time, Iran or Russia.

    I know Andrew Yang has a following online, and in a video after his debate he said his microphone was switched off some of the time. I think he got to speak the least too.
     
  13. Quartz

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    My money's on Mayor Pete. I like his character.
     
  14. Meridian

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    Delete me please.
     
  15. Rroff

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    It isn't really about how quick but what ultimately happens to the country - under extreme forms of Socialism/Communism you do risk literally bankrupting the country completely with wealth fleeing the country if it isn't plundered which makes long term recovery under a responsible government extremely hard while under the extremes of a Tory ideology the wealth and means to generate it becomes concentrated in the hands of a small percentage of the country and while government and the wider country might technically be broke it is easier for a more responsible future government to recover from. Neither is a desirable outcome.

    Plenty of people within the Labour party these days in positions to influence the direction of government who either are broadly like minded with Corbyn or will get behind him - I certainly wouldn't want to bet how far things might or might not get - problem is some people seem to have a soft left vision of Labour kind of averaged over the last few decades and refusing to see what has happened right before their eyes over the last few years.

    Only Sanders has any chance against Trump but I can't see America electing him. The others will get sucked into Trump's maelstrom and won't stand a chance. Warren maybe an outside chance but I would be somewhat surprised. If anyone is going to topple Trump it probably would be another celebrity type figure with reasonable popularity who decided to put their hat in the ring - the country is still deeply distrustful of politicians (not an uncommon theme around the world at the moment).
     
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  16. doodah

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    Trump will likely make minced meat out of Biden after he got made to look like a chump by Harris. I think Warren has a better chance but enough of Trump's vitriol has stuck on her, especially after she thought it was a good idea to take him on about her heritage. Harris is an unknown but judging from Trump Jr's clearly racist/birther-like tweet at the weekend - a mixed race woman would likely be enough red meat to get the base engaged and enraged.

    There's a reason Trump has largely left Bernie alone all these years.....
     
  17. Evangelion

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    Trump will win a, regardless of which Democrat he faces. The Democrats are too fractured right now, and Trump is still riding the strength of the Obama economy, so it'll take another term for the Yanks to get Trumpism out of their system.

    It's a shame, because Warren/Sanders would be a great combination. But it's not going to happen.
     
  18. Evangelion

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    Evangelical Christians are Trump's base, not the veterans. He won 80% of the evangelical vote in the last election.
     
  19. terley

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    Its not a case of being fractured.. they are out of touch.

    How can almost all of the candidates say they support open borders, 70-90% tax rates, no limit on abortion etc and think they have a chance of beating trump...
     
  20. StriderX

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    How are they out of touch when they won the popular vote in 2016, and own the majority of Congress? What's your measure of support here?

    And you of course ignore the fact that a high% taxrate is over XXXXXX$ amount, as usual trying to obfuscate what a tax rate is by stating it in a simple manner, tell me what was so wrong about the tax rates after the War, wasn't it a glorious time?