The End of Boris

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I don't. I don't want to be part of little Nicky Crankies utopia.

I don't want to be part Drakeys socialist state either, sadly Wales has generations of voters that line up like sheep to give Labour support every election.

Devolution was one of the biggest mistakes Tony Blair made, if you start giving regions more power it's inevitable they will keep asking for me, lots of money wasted paying the salaries of AM's that really don't do anything, the NHS in Wales is a disgrace and their handling of Covid has been a disaster. Earlier and more aggressive lockdowns... but Wales still came out worse and had some of the highest Covid infections per 100k during all lockdowns.... Lets not forget the ineffective firebreak.... :mad:
 
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Isn't Boris desperate for money anyway? I remember something about him struggling and need money to pay for all the kids he has.

In which case he'd earn far more stepping down than continuing on as PM. That's when the real money rolls in, speeches, conferences, consultant positions etc..
 
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I wonder if the defection might backfire? Could make a few Tory MP's think twice, or even unify them against the common enemy. It might buy Boris another week. :D
 
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Isn't Boris desperate for money anyway? I remember something about him struggling and need money to pay for all the kids he has.

In which case he'd earn far more stepping down than continuing on as PM. That's when the real money rolls in, speeches, conferences, consultant positions etc..
It was alleged he privately complained he was strained with the PM's salary paying for nannies and all of his brood. Also why he supposedly missed a bunch of COVID meetings a while back, needed to finish a book to pay off his divorce bills. Poor Boris. Makes a little sense why he went begging for money to pay for his flat refurb and free high-end takeaways (to the tune of tens of thousands).
 
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Isn't Boris desperate for money anyway? I remember something about him struggling and need money to pay for all the kids he has.

In which case he'd earn far more stepping down than continuing on as PM. That's when the real money rolls in, speeches, conferences, consultant positions etc..
He cares more for power and status than money (which he's not short of, he's just profligate).
 

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Its not just Boris its the entire bloody cabinet and party that have been running this **** show for years.

What need is some national strikes, and some Brixton esq riots to start putting the fear of god into the Tories & Labour for that matter.

Enough is enough. Westminster is a bloody shambles.
 
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I don't want to be part Drakeys socialist state either, sadly Wales has generations of voters that line up like sheep to give Labour support every election.

Devolution was one of the biggest mistakes Tony Blair made, if you start giving regions more power it's inevitable they will keep asking for me, lots of money wasted paying the salaries of AM's that really don't do anything, the NHS in Wales is a disgrace and their handling of Covid has been a disaster. Earlier and more aggressive lockdowns... but Wales still came out worse and had some of the highest Covid infections per 100k during all lockdowns.... Lets not forget the ineffective firebreak.... :mad:

You do not understand the problem. Where you alive at the time? I was and there was a big push for Scottish independence, Labour heartland seats falling. Blair decided the best way to head off the full independence was to give them some measure of control while leaving the important bits for Westminster. To ensure there was not a power base divide, the voting for the new Parliament was engineered in such a way that no party should ever get a majority. Wales had to get something similar as both Scotland and NI had some control over their affairs.

In the last election. 2021, under the first ballot in Scotland which is the traditional Westminster style constituency fptp, the results were 62 SNP, 5 Tory 4 LD and 2 Labour. If it had been left as such then there would be more problems but the second regional vote in both Wales and Scotland ensure minor parties are over-represented.

Both countries still, with some small exceptions, rely on the block grant from Westminter for funding. Both countries have seen their money cut back over the past 12 years. Services such as the NHS in Wales will obviousy be hit. Your vitriol over Covid in Wales fails to highlight the most important part of Covid restrictions, which is what the people do. If people do not help you will get spread. It has been shown many times that poverty increases health problems. Wales has still not recovered from mine and steel closures.

Of the constituent countries of the UK, Northern Ireland was the most deprived with 37% of the population living in areas in the most deprived fifth of the UK, followed by Wales with 22% of the population living in the most deprived fifth of the UK.

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/6/11/e012750
 
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You do not understand the problem. Where you alive at the time? I was and there was a big push for Scottish independence, Labour heartland seats falling. Blair decided the best way to head off the full independence was to give them some measure of control while leaving the important bits for Westminster. To ensure there was not a power base divide, the voting for the new Parliament was engineered in such a way that no party should ever get a majority. Wales had to get something similar as both Scotland and NI had some control over their affairs.

In the last election. 2021, under the first ballot in Scotland which is the traditional Westminster style constituency fptp, the results were 62 SNP, 5 Tory 4 LD and 2 Labour. If it had been left as such then there would be more problems but the second regional vote in both Wales and Scotland ensure minor parties are over-represented.

Both countries still, with some small exceptions, rely on the block grant from Westminster for funding. Both countries have seen their money cut back over the past 12 years. Services such as the NHS in Wales will obviousy be hit. Your vitriol over Covid in Wales fails to highlight the most important part of Covid restrictions, which is what the people do. If people do not help you will get spread. It has been shown many times that poverty increases health problems. Wales has still not recovered from mine and steel closures.

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/6/11/e012750

Yep, I was alive at the time but I was young and naive, back then I supported Labour.... Labour have a majority in Wales thanks to the Greens, SNP still banging on about independence... If you keep giving them more power to keep them quiet, eventually you have to give them independence.... It didn't work, it can't work.

If anything we should be giving power back to Westminster, Wales are wasting huge amounts of money on green power when the NHS is crying out for more funding as well as businesses going under thanks to the unnecessary harsh lockdowns compared to England..
 
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You do not understand the problem. Where you alive at the time? I was and there was a big push for Scottish independence, Labour heartland seats falling. Blair decided the best way to head off the full independence was to give them some measure of control while leaving the important bits for Westminster. To ensure there was not a power base divide, the voting for the new Parliament was engineered in such a way that no party should ever get a majority. Wales had to get something similar as both Scotland and NI had some control over their affairs.

In the last election. 2021, under the first ballot in Scotland which is the traditional Westminster style constituency fptp, the results were 62 SNP, 5 Tory 4 LD and 2 Labour. If it had been left as such then there would be more problems but the second regional vote in both Wales and Scotland ensure minor parties are over-represented.

Both countries still, with some small exceptions, rely on the block grant from Westminter for funding. Both countries have seen their money cut back over the past 12 years. Services such as the NHS in Wales will obviousy be hit. Your vitriol over Covid in Wales fails to highlight the most important part of Covid restrictions, which is what the people do. If people do not help you will get spread. It has been shown many times that poverty increases health problems. Wales has still not recovered from mine and steel closures.



https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/6/11/e012750
Not to mention the fact that people in Wales can just go over the border to England via free movement to party and then bring Covid back with them, plenty of them did! What England does has a huge and disproportionate effect on the much less populous rest of the UK: in terms of the money provided for the devolved nations' separate measures and the extent and scope of those measures which is also limited by Westminster.

Many people were just ignoring mask mandates in Wales when England did away with them because they didn't see why they should do it when England didn't have to and it became impossible to enforce. What the UK Government does and says has a huge impact on whether any differing rules will be followed:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/number-people-wearing-face-masks-21969761
 
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Its not just Boris its the entire bloody cabinet and party that have been running this **** show for years.

What need is some national strikes, and some Brixton esq riots to start putting the fear of god into the Tories & Labour for that matter.

Enough is enough. Westminster is a bloody shambles.
Recently been thinking we've all been celebrating guy fawkes/ bonfire night wrong.

I feel like if once a year everyone got together to burn whoever the current PM is in effigy and chant "this could be you!" It might encourage them to try harder.
 
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Perhaps because the accusations were a weak repeat of last week. Hasn't Ian Blackford used his turn in PMQs to suggest the PM resigns every week since the election? It's almost laughable by now.
 
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Things seemed to have calmed down since PMQ's, also starting to worry he may get away with it until May's elections. I have little faith in this report next week. Man it's soo depressing, how much lower can this go?
 
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Nope, can't stand the guy. Liberal clown too focused on climate change to deal with issues people voted them in for. He's delivered Brexit, more or less and handled the vaccinations fairly well, better than the EU.... But he hasn't delivered on much else they promised..

He's a liberal masquerading as a conservative, only now when his jobs on the line does he start focusing on the issues Conservative voters care about.... It's too little, too late.

He has not delivered Brexit, there are still problems with NI. NI is effectively in the Single Market while BoZo pretends it is not. He signed the mess after claiming no UK PM would ever do it.

'handled the vaccinations fairly well, better than the EU.'?

John Hopkins University of Medicine which is tracking it shows that most of the European countries have more fully vaccinated than the UK. I put the link in last week. Even France and Germany are better than the UK.
BoZo keeps telling the lie and some people believe him, like the 40 hospitals lie.
 
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Yep, I was alive at the time but I was young and naive, back then I supported Labour.... Labour have a majority in Wales thanks to the Greens, SNP still banging on about independence... If you keep giving them more power to keep them quiet, eventually you have to give them independence.... It didn't work, it can't work.

SNP, in the course of normal day to day working rarely mention Independence. It is usually the Tories who bring it up, in Edinburgh. It is highlighted at Party conferences, of course, but you would expect that. Normally it is just the day to day stuff. Most of the 'banging on about independence' comes from Tory tabloids and their readers. You do not 'have to give them independence', it is up to the electorate of Scotland/Wales to decide how they want to be governed.

If anything we should be giving power back to Westminster, Wales are wasting huge amounts of money on green power when the NHS is crying out for more funding as well as businesses going under thanks to the unnecessary harsh lockdowns compared to England..

Westminster is taking some powers that Scotland had when they were part of the EU. I expect it will be the same in Wales but they will not be providing the same cash as the EU. Wales like the rest of the UK will be poorer out of the EU which will make the situation worse. If you look at lockdowns around the world, the UK has had a mild lockdown. BoZo gambled with people's lives that it was going to be mild.
 
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