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The English Channel

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Fatboy123, 25 Nov 2021.

  1. TheOracle

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  2. [email protected]

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    Dublin treaty says they should seek refuge in 1st safe country not cherry pick.
     
  3. [email protected]

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    We need to get very tough expelling 10,000's of them,.
     
  4. [email protected]

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    If they resort to that you know they have lost the argument.
     
  5. [email protected]

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    Either way sooner or later we will get a party in power that will deal with it.

    You might not like what else comes with it though.
     
  6. omnomnom

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    Nope

     
  7. Fatboy123

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    Hasn't that been superceded by Dublin 3?
    "The Dublin Regulation (also known as Dublin III) is EU law setting out which country is responsible for looking at an individual’s asylum application. This is usually the country where the asylum seeker first arrives in the EU. The Dublin Regulation applies to EU Member States and Iceland, Norway, Switzerland and Liechtenstein. The UK was bound by the Dublin Regulation until 31 December 2020."
     
  8. 200sols

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    Check the speakers corner thread, garnett is frothing real good :cry:
     
  9. Jimbeam3678

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    I’m too long in the tooth to get involved in this debate(?), I’ll just say this Rob if asylum seekers were only after a chunk of money they would stop well before the UK. The UK really don’t offer the “fattest chunk of money” to use your words.

    People in general should have more empathy for other human beings. :(
     
  10. VincentHanna

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    I'm pretty sure the point being made is that ridiculous wastes of taxpayers cash in to useless PPE contracts and track and trace is what you should be concerned about, as opposed to 26,000 people a year getting £37 a week until their asylum claims are dealt with.
     
  11. omnomnom

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    The UK was bound by the Dublin Regulation until 31 December 2020.

    ?
     
  12. [email protected]

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    Brexit
     
  13. explicit4u

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    It's more the fact that it provides a convenient distraction, a dog whistle if you will, successive governments promise to do something about it (very little gets done) and promise to deliver investment in the things people like yourself are worried about like schools, hospitals, houses etc. (they never get built) to get votes. Meanwhile the party and friends of the party ride the gravy train and convince relatively poor people that other relatively poor people are the problem, hoodwinked.
     
  14. The Running Man

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    We are concerned by what they do during and after their failed asylum claims.

    And why the UK asylum acceptance rate is 3x higher than France.

    https://www.chathamhouse.org/2021/06/denmarks-immigrants-forced-out-government-policies

    Seems like Denmark have managed to find a way to stem the flow.

    Ask yourself why would they do this if asylum seekers were amazing for them?
     
  15. [email protected]

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    The royal navy should simply push them back.
     
  16. thenewoc

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    Isn't wanting them to claim asylum in the EU showing more empathy than encouraging them to drag their families across the entire EU to arrive in squalid conditions in Calais, depriving their offspring of education and a warm home, then subjecting themselves and offspring to a perilous journey in an unfit sea vessel not empathy enough for you? All of which could be avoided if they claimed asylum in one of their first safe havens encountered which is what they would do if they were genuinely fleeing conflict.
     
  17. VincentHanna

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    Where do you live in the UK, that they are causing you so many issues?
     
  18. thenewoc

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    That may be the case for their personal income but they've still got to be housed somewhere, regardless of whether that is an asylum processing centre, old army barracks or a hotel, all of which are a significant cost to operate. Those being put up in hotels and receiving takeaways is far better than we treat our own homeless for instance some of which can be ex military suffering from PTSD etc.

    As mentioned earlier, there are other costs other than the specific monetary benefits handout these people recieve, such as:

    Jobs, housing, healthcare, other tax funded services, school places.
     
  19. StriderX

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    I think it's very likely that the smugglers only put enough fuel in for one trip, probably not even that, so the navy would be risking turning into any pushback into a rescue operation or a drowning that they're obliged as sailors to help.

    There's also the possibility that smugglers ensure the boats aren't sea worthy (small hole in the inflatable) along with the threat to kill them if they turn back, ergo they have no option other than to make the attempt.
     
  20. [email protected]

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    Not our problem, Drown or swim back to France I do not care.
    Until we stop it they will come.