Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Burnsy2023, Apr 1, 2016.
Voters are surging towards 'Stay.'
Again, after last years terribad polling, why even bother posting them.
Many research teams contain students who were born in countries that see far less attention in science and where the average student is not wealthy enough to study abroad. As a country that leads many fields of research with many prestigious educational institutes, the UK is often first choice for up and coming talented individuals who receive funding from the EU to study abroad. You will find that without the EU, many of these people would never had the opportunity to get that far.
Everywhere I look, comments, online polls, social media. I don't see it.
'Man shocked to learn that unrepresentative polls and random comments on social media may not necessarily reflect real world.'
Having one funding pool makes applying for funding simpler. It also makes it easier for large-scale projects, too big for one country to fund, to get access to sustainable funding. Something like CERN or ITER could be funded by the 28 EU member states individually (plus current partners outside of the EU) but it would be a riskier venture.
I agree that the paperwork involved in working abroad is easier than it once was but it certainly isn't straight-forward. University departments don't have the level of admin staff that a successful multinational company has. Freedom of movement rules also mean that scientists can bring their family with them and those other family members are free to find work here.
Project Fear has worked then, the guillible and stupid have fell for all the massive scaremongering.
Mind you it's all pretty irrelevant as an Out vote won't take us out, Cameron simply won't do it, it might take 2 referendums but we're staying in that's a certainty.
I’ve seen the same. Everywhere I look it’s 2-3:1 in favour of leaving, but the MSM are smiling and pretending remain is a forgone conclusion. Probably a bunch of lies by omission like when migrants were trashing their way into Europe, but we’re shown nothing but frowny face women and children
To be honest, it could work in favour of leave if the remainers feel secure and the leavers feel more motivated.
It was the same in Scotland the vocal minority were on all forums shouting their mouths off extolling the virtues of independence.
The silent sensible majority however were the ones at the polling booths saying nothing.
Posts on forums mean very little, people are swayed (bullied) into silence.
Most posts here are anti-EU yet the poll is quite close.
People that will vote remain feel less need to justify it. It's the status-quo arguement.
to use a terrible analogy
If I'm sitting in my comfortable chair with my slippers on I will take some good persuasion to get up, I will take almost no persuading to remain in my comfy chair.
The onus is completely on the Leavers to give reasons to leave.
(I did say it was a terrible analogy)
How can you debate with people who post meaningless comments like
"The eu is corrupt!" or "let's put the Great back in Great Britain" or "Let's get our sovereignty back".
When Moses here asks questions of sweeping leave statements with no source he is challenged for asking too many questions?
I'll vote leave, but I know we won't be leaving.
Yes we can!
Exactly this - these are not reasons, they are meaningless soundbites which in themselves don't mean anything.
Polls may fail from time to time but they're still the best way we have to predict the outcome of an election.
And despite the kicking they've got the opinion polls weren't actually that bad. If you look at the final polls, they predicted Con 33.7%, Lab 33.6%, UKIP 12.7%, LibDem 10.0% whereas the final results were Con 36.8%, Lab 30.5%, UKIP 12.7% and LibDem 7.9%. That's a 3.1 percentage point error on Con and Lab, bang on for UKIP and a 2.1 percentage point error for Lib Dem. Not precise, but actually a decent ballpark.
Allow me to be the Leave equivalent of Moses for a moment:
What do you mean by “the”, and can you define “to”?
What will be our membership fee if we stay? How will the population grow if we stay? How will the NHS be if we stay? What will house prices be if we stay? How many school places will there be if we stay? What countries will join the EU if we stay? What new laws will be forced on us if we stay?
He just asks questions he knows are unanswerable at this time.
Well then you might as well vote yes to make sure we don't.
The internet is great for creating echo chambers. I know almost no-one who will be voting out, my workplace is full of Remainers, my friends will vote Remain and my Facebook feed is strongly Remain biased. But if they were a good guide to how Britain would vote we'd have a Labour-Green coalition government and Scotland would have voted for independence. In reality, of course, they're not.
He asks them in retort to sweeping claims of 'there wont be this or that'. Funny you can make statements saying that there wont be xxx or xxx from now but no one can ask what there will be
I don't really know enough about it, and I find that most things online are going to be swayed by the authors beliefs. I can see benefits from both sides.
QT this morning had a man claiming if we left the EU, with savings made + using that money to increase our own market we would be out of debt as a country by 2030. If that's true it's very interesting.
Maybe another option would be to look at leaving with a "we will assess the situation every 5 years!"
Some pretty crazy optimism there, are there any numbers to go with it or was it just an ambitiously optimistic statement?
Ruh roh, rolleyes!
There is equal uncertainty with either decision, I’m just sick of those who exaggerate the safety of staying and the danger of leaving.
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