Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%
  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%

  • Total voters
    1,759
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I am still awaiting for eggcup to inform me how my previous post is 'almost identical to Nazi propaganda seen in the past'
I think te picture didn't contain the words 'brighter future' and they didn't show anyone handing money over to the migrants so it was clearly abuse to see those people not being airlifted to a cozy, pre-paid house that will come with added benefits.

You see, a line of people is RACIST. That's why I hate super markets, it's a racist institution, a product of a bygone era where we have to buy products with money rather than just giving people what they need and being sensitive to there issues :o All in all this campaign has highlighted just how racist the supermarkets are, where were they to fix this line?

Just a joke at the whole situation, don't get angsty people.
 
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This one, racist apparently.

Oh, OK, thanks. So that is what all the fuss is about, seems innocuous and an accurate pictorial description of the illegal migrant crisis to me, unable to see how people see controversy in THAT.

Maybe the photo was a still from this video of how the crisis was unfolding late last year?

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/11/watch-anti-migrant-video-going-viral-across-europe/

Thanks for the link!
 
I think British politics has failed. Leave or stay looks like it doesn't matter. I think its time for you to rise up and storm parliment. Im sure there are enough Soldiers that will support the cause. Tories aint gonna change anything, Labour certainly wont.

Time for action guys. You better start soon.
 
I think British politics has failed. Leave or stay looks like it doesn't matter. I think its time for you to rise up and storm parliment. Im sure there are enough Soldiers that will support the cause. Tories aint gonna change anything, Labour certainly wont.

Time for action guys. You better start soon.
Can't agree myself, as long as we keep our politicians accountable and able to actually change laws for the better and be flexible with the countries needs then I do believe in democracy and systems we've relied on for hundreds of years. Things can change for the better whether we are in or out but the problem is if you're in then you have to respect that change will be influenced by 26 other countries desires and will take a lot longer to get anything done and may change against public opinion as the EU politicians might feel differently to the local politicians. In other words democracy works and that's why we use it but when you try and put democracy of your own countries laws to a pitched battle with 26 other countries that don't fully know or appreciate the importance of all your countries or citizens values / needs then it becomes harder to shift it in the right direction. Not impossible but harder.

After all, why even be here talking about your vote if democracy and having your say doesn't matter? Clearly it works and we pride it so economic benefits of EU vs closer democracy which gets local issues heard, quicker reactions and managing our own issues.
 
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I've been doing a lot of reading today to try and understand both arguments for and against Brexit. Not really any closer than when I started.

As a young professional under the age of 40 who works in the tech industry, who has been saving cash whilst living at home for the last 10 years looking to get on the property ladder in the very near future, is a vote in or out more beneficial too me?

This is the only answer I need.

The waters are very muddy.
 
Dunno if you are arguing for me or against :P#
100's of year old systems in the UK which prove to achieve.... cyclically, pretty much nothing in the past 75 years.
Politicians accountability? That is just farcical in the UK, Sure in some African hole they execute their politicians, in the Uk we send them to be on the board of a mega corp instead.
Citizens values are the same all across Europe. We are all people. We all want the same petty and basic things. British values are no different from Portuguese or French.
 
Oh, OK, thanks. So that is what all the fuss is about, seems innocuous and an accurate pictorial description of the illegal migrant crisis to me, unable to see how people see controversy in THAT.

Maybe the photo was a still from this video of how the crisis was unfolding late last year?

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/11/watch-anti-migrant-video-going-viral-across-europe/

Thanks for the link!

When I used to work in London Bridge, some mornings I used to see the queues to the immigration office. :eek:
 
I've been doing a lot of reading today to try and understand both arguments for and against Brexit. Not really any closer than when I started.

As a young professional under the age of 40 who works in the tech industry, who has been saving cash whilst living at home for the last 10 years looking to get on the property ladder in the very near future, is a vote in or out more beneficial too me?

This is the only answer I need.

The waters are very muddy.

The future of an Entire nation your CHILDRENS futures decided on whether or not you can afford a house in the near future.

This is pretty much why we shouldn't have a referendum. Normal people like us are idiots. ;)

But yeah vote out, all the Russian property speculators might shift to another city for a few months and the London housing market might crash if you are lucky?
 
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I've been doing a lot of reading today to try and understand both arguments for and against Brexit. Not really any closer than when I started.

As a young professional under the age of 40 who works in the tech industry, who has been saving cash whilst living at home for the last 10 years looking to get on the property ladder in the very near future, is a vote in or out more beneficial too me?

This is the only answer I need.

The waters are very muddy.

Out
 
The future of an Entire nation your CHILDRENS futures decided on whether or not you can afford a house in the near future.

This is pretty much why we shouldn't have a referendum. Normal people like us are idiots. ;)

I fully agree!! :p I've been saying to people that I actually might not vote as I don't fully understand the repercussions of my vote. But then people looking at me with scorn as well!! :p
 
The future of an Entire nation your CHILDRENS futures decided on whether or not you can afford a house in the near future.

This is pretty much why we shouldn't have a referendum. Normal people like us are idiots. ;)

A socio-political issue like this is barely worth using "children" as a reason, we wont lose them all to cholera or something.

I'll be leaving regardless at some point, because the UK is a failure of a state.
 
Dunno if you are arguing for me or against :P#
100's of year old systems in the UK which prove to achieve.... cyclically, pretty much nothing in the past 75 years.
Politicians accountability? That is just farcical in the UK, Sure in some African hole they execute their politicians, in the Uk we send them to be on the board of a mega corp instead.
Citizens values are the same all across Europe. We are all people. We all want the same petty and basic things. British values are no different from Portuguese or French.
Neither? It's just a convo :p

Maybe because our needs can be cyclical at times? Sometimes need more immigration, sometimes need to shift resources to manufacturing etc. Politics is a balancing game in the end, only reason anyone wants the EU is because despite it's flaws it balances the books in some ways. You think that could ever change in the EU with UK politicians escaping justice? I think it would only get worse, they are less accountable and more excuses as they can shift blame to more systems. Not always, some countries pride there farming whereas we don't much, some countries pride migration more than the UK does (a large problem for labour at the moment is that they are only just waking up to peoples views on migration) and values are generally similar but the importance of them and how they fit can be different. Either way, just pointing out we wouldn't use democracy if it was so pointless.
 
“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”
― Winston S. Churchill

It seems the older i get the more cynical i get too.
 
I think British politics has failed. Leave or stay looks like it doesn't matter. I think its time for you to rise up and storm parliment. Im sure there are enough Soldiers that will support the cause. Tories aint gonna change anything, Labour certainly wont.

Time for action guys. You better start soon.

:D lol not sure about that but news recently was a chief of UK defence switching to suggest voting leave is a more secure path for UK rather then being part of a EU based army.
I didnt even know that was a thing but apparently overly centralised power is enough to swing his vote, Lord Guthie is the name to google

I've been doing a lot of reading today to try and understand both arguments for and against Brexit. Not really any closer than when I started.

As a young professional under the age of 40 who works in the tech industry, who has been saving cash whilst living at home for the last 10 years looking to get on the property ladder in the very near future, is a vote in or out more beneficial too me?

This is the only answer I need.

The waters are very muddy.

Owning a house or buying into the debt to own one is possibly a 25 year decision. Its a big deal and you want a stable set of rates to go with that, most mortgages are set by the variable national interest rate.
So whichever side can deliver a steady course is probably what you should be biased to .
Ultimately its true for everyone, an economy works best without excessive volatility. I find the ECB policies and their dealings with bad debt such as occured in Greece is alarming, I dont believe building a bigger government on that failure is a good start to a 25 year consideration of EU.

The best way to deal with bad debt is recognise it as a failure. The lenders are responsible for their judgement, what seems to have happened is the Greek people are paying back that bad debt which was borrowed on false terms and the whole nation should not be part of the EURO.
The UK was part of the ERM, part of the predecessor to the EURO and we were forced to leave, no leeway was afforded us and we left that part of Europe and since then we have realised it was a benefit.

Keeping sterling has worked fine, I think its been realised it was better to recognise that path of amalgamation with European countries as a failure. Not force a path like has happened to Greece, its such a little country compared to us that Germany and other creditors they can juggle it about and make it perform to any agreement. They could never do this with the UK, if any problem occurred we would just part company as UK is far too large to be effected by France and Germany like they can do with Greece.
Thats the future if the vote doesnt mean we leave EU now I think, eventually we just have to part with their policies. A forced path rather then a vote to me represents instability, volatility and loss from unexpected rather then planned events. The longer we avoid choosing a path the further entrenched we get and the more upset and loss could occur.

Not sure about this video, just something I found. I dont go for the nationalist stuff especially, I wouldnt care if the guy running the country only spoke French. So long as he is a clever guy and its a benefit to us then great, I'll use google translate :p The problem is they dont even manage their own business well now.
Massive government fails under its own weight, no malice is required for harm to be done just incompetence and the main reason to leave EU is a modular approach is better and more controllable then a centralised European power.

Obama supports a larger EU and UK in it as it mirrors the USA super state system with its giant central government with their 18tn of debt. That to me is the choice, not so much Merkel and whatever faces are there now. They can be gone in five years, doesnt matter but does the whole super scheme of a Centralised European power work so well that UK should follow that path forward. Its not a static situation, just choosing to sit still is not on the ballot, its a fork in the road imo


This part of the video is true I think on excessive regulations it very much favours large business, same effect is in play in USA. This is due to scales of economies or mass production bias, but the fastest probably majority of growth in economies is the smaller startup businesses eg. Dyson
 
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I can't understand the fuss that Farage has caused, with his Poster, while out on his Campaign Trail. It speaks truth!

Because it's underhanded and irrelevant. It shows a queue of non EU citizens who are not admissible to the UK whether we are in or out if the EU. It plays into peoples fears and is misleading.

We already have control of our borders for non EU nationals. That poster implies that voting out has a bearing on migrants from outside the EU when it doesn't .
 
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