This plays into my accountability argument. The current system of government with the EU and national governments is too complex and not understood (beyond a few bureaucrats in Brussels). I have this suspicion that national governments use the EU to push through legislation they feel is politically unacceptable in their own countries - when the electorate complain they respond "not our fault, it's been imposed on us by the EU". Give me a simple, transparent system where the buck stops with the British Prime Minister please.
Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)
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This plays into my accountability argument. The current system of government with the EU and national governments is too complex and not understood (beyond a few bureaucrats in Brussels). I have this suspicion that national governments use the EU to push through legislation they feel is politically unacceptable in their own countries - when the electorate complain they respond "not our fault, it's been imposed on us by the EU". Give me a simple, transparent system where the buck stops with the British Prime Minister please.
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They're in the EU and eventually will be allowed in, that's fact.
We are voting to leave the EU, so it is relevant but personally I wouldn't of done that particular poster because when leave is after the Don't know camp it can be a turn off.
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It's not fact at all.
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At least be truthful. Leaving will be worse for trying to buy a property in the short term at least. Economy will suffer making it harder to get mortgages.
How do you know
basic economics. uncertainty will damage the economy. of which there will be at minimum two years of uncertainty in case of a leave vote.
its scary how little people know and what people are basing there vote on.
how people can defend that picture for a start.
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What are you judging that off? Or has cameron scared you.
haha you might want to read up on the most basic economics. markets do not like uncertainty and you cant get much bigger uncertainty that leaving a massive economic region.
good god.
And it's just as scary that people are deciding to vote looking at just the short time.
This isn't about the week after the vote or the next two years, this is something for the very & very, very long term and IMO if we left the EU the country would be a lot better off in the long run.
Original picture:
http://i.imgur.com/ps7IhNe.jpg
The image is framed in such a way to make sure the single fair skinned person is not in the picture.
That looks like Ross Kemp
probably getting up close and personal for the next series of extreme world
and who is doing that?
or is that something you have just pulled out the hat.
imo we would be far worse of in the long run outside the eu and that's supported by many experts and past actions of the UK.
it is far from scaremongering posters and opinions from unqualified people, using lies. although there is some on bothsides, one side is far worse. using fear and scaremongering to achieve goals that the "leaders" don't even agree with, just doing it for their career.
i know... i was taking the mic
I'd think differently. Knowing now she was killed partly because of her belief in this I would be happy for her memory to be used to fight for what she wanted.
Or, perhaps it's because many people wouldn't want to ally themselves with someone like her murderer. TBH I I think abstain will be the biggest winner here from people that would have voted leave, but now don't want to, and can't bring themselves to vote remain.
You seem to be saying that with a straight face, as though the leave campaign wouldn't be doing exactly the same thing if it was the other way around.
Just imagine if the guy was Romanian. All the leave campaign would be ignoring the mental illness side and we would have had pages and pages of anti immigration speal.
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Thats a good link to keep track of, took a screencap. I doubt we leave as too many see it as change and fear that, the point to me is UK will leave anyway at some point due to EU failings like UK left the ERM not by choice or vote.
If you think EU is making UK sucessful then voting to continue our amalgamation into that super system of government is correct.
I dont agree that we can vote to stay still though, the situation is dynamic not static. Voting stay out of fear of change is a misunderstanding. This is a vote on the politics of EU not if UK is part of Europe, we will continue just like Switzerland continues in Europe while not part of the EU
Well, here's some words from her husband:
Mainstream politicians, he writes, “in most cases are clueless on how to deal with the public debate. Petrified by the rise of the populists they try to neuter them by taking their ground and aping their rhetoric. Far from closing down the debates, these steps legitimise their views, reinforce their frames and pull the debate further to the extremes (Sarkozy and the continuing rise of Front National is a case in point)."
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“In a country like Poland, immigration can dominate a national election debate, despite the country being 97% white Catholic (and immigration levels being at a level where the immigration officers probably remember all the applicants’ names)”
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“In a country like Poland, immigration can dominate a national election debate, despite the country being 97% white Catholic (and immigration levels being at a level where the immigration officers probably remember all the applicants’ names)”
They can only get citizenship if they become economically active members of German society and speak the language over a minimum of 5 years.
Some might well achieve that but having got a job, a place to live and fluent German skills why would they then all rush to the UK?
Most of them will never achieve that anyway and will therefore not be EU citizens.
No he didn't. He said "allied with". If you want to be classed as crazy and racist that's your prerogative, it's not what he said though.
No we don't. If it comes to that any government between times can pull us out or set another referendum to pull us out, especially if there is majority support for it (could be an election campaign pledge, like this one). We still have the right as a nation at any time to leave. Why not vote based on the situation now rather than a possible situation decades down the line?
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