Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

[Skunkworks]

It's stagnated because it's reached a high level of living standards. Sure some countries are growing much faster but they are starting from a far far lower standard and will also begin to slow once they become more developed.

But for now they need lots of goods and services.

 

[bam0]

But he did not say we only export 6% of our physical goods to the eu though for obvious reasons.
Our number 1 services export are in work benefits and sick people fixed for free on our nhs then exported home healthy again.

That sounds like a really low number, you're saying that only 6% of goods exported from the UK end up in EU countries? ONS disagrees and accounts for the Rotterdam effect http://webarchive.nationalarchives....ecember-2014/sty-trade-rotterdam-effect-.html

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Our number 1 services export are in work benefits and sick people fixed for free on our nhs then exported home healthy again.

You try to poke holes in the stats then you come out with **** like that?

 

[bam0]

I agree, once in the door it'll be hard to remove them.

If you have no money and can't claim benefits or find work why would you stay? These people are from other EU countries, not 3rd world or war torn places.

 

[Freakbro]

His point was why do we want to stay in a club that's stagnating compared to the rest of the world. But then you know that and are just being obtuse and desperate.

I'm being neither obtuse nor desperate

I was very clear on my opinion that Leaver portrayed himself as thick as **** who didn't understand the basis of his argument.

And just because you may now pontificate what he actually meant, based on your generally more informed viewpoint (I think anyone involved in these threads is more informed than the majority of people, due to the discussions we have) but that doesn't mean it's true, and if it was he should have expressed that, rather than "number.....down....bad"

 

[Phil99]

But he did not say we only export 6% of our physical goods to the eu though for obvious reasons.
Our number 1 services export are in work benefits and sick people fixed for free on our nhs then exported home healthy again.

Do you have any stats to get even close to backing that up? Because although I bet the numbers sound high, they'll be tiny compared to the benefits of staying in, especially when you subtract the amount it costs other EU countries to fix up Brits abroad via E111.

...and by E111 I of course mean EHIC nowadays

This may make interesting reading for you:

https://www.theguardian.com/society...s-five-times-more-than-equivalent-cost-to-nhs

 

[Mr Jack]

His point was why do we want to stay in a club that's stagnating compared to the rest of the world. But then you know that and are just being obtuse and desperate.

The EU is not "stagnating", this is nonsense; it's continuing to grow much in line with other parts of the developed worlds.

If your GDP is $50,000 per capita and it grows $1,000 per capita you've got 2% growth. If your GDP is $10,000 per capita and it grows $1,000 per capita you've got 10% growth. What's more the share of the total taken up the smaller country has increased too. It's this simple mathematics that is going on, not any "stagnation" in the EU.

 

[Mr Jack]

Watching Cameron arguing for Remain is so depressing. Guy from the audience asks about sending money to Poland and all he does is repeat the point about losing more money for leaving. How about solidarity? How about the notion that the world is better when we work together? How about the simple economic case that we can export more to Poland if they're a bigger, better developed country and the small amount we send their way is well spent on the $5.6bn and growing we trade with them?

On the immigration issue, about pointing out that over half of non-EU immigration is students who come and pour billions into our universities, more into our economy, and help build links between our countries that help us trade more in future?

It's just so frustrating how he's painted into the corner by his own rhetoric.

 

[Destination]

Services are still "exports" though, they generate revenue and create and sustain jobs. It doesn't have to be a physical item to be useful to the economy.

What are these services, and do they generate tax money in the UK?

 

[Marmot]

I think that went fairly well for Cameron. The audience seemed to quite like him dodging questions and repeating himself.

"So why did you say X and do Y"
"Well I think the question really is..."

 

[Freakbro]

If your GDP is $50,000 per capita and it grows $1,000 per capita you've got 2% growth. If your GDP is $10,000 per capita and it grows $1,000 per capita you've got 10% growth. What's more the share of the total taken up the smaller country has increased too. It's this simple mathematics that is going on, not any "stagnation" in the EU.

But as shown by that Leaver on QT and the responders in this thread, simple mathematics are a difficult concept to grasp for some.

 

[Marmot]

Double post

 

[twist3d0n3]

But as shown by that Leaver on QT and the responders in this thread, simple mathematics are a difficult concept to grasp for some.

 

[do_ron_ron]

One of the points often raised is the ability to deport foreign criminals, whether EU or other nationality due to rulings by Europe. This week we saw France, who are bound by the same rules, deport a bunch of Russians. The problem seems to lie with Westminster and how it decides to interpret the rules.

 

[Freakbro]

What are these services, and do they generate tax money in the UK?

Insurance
Financial
Architectural
Engineering
Professional, management consulting and R&D

And many others
http://www.ons.gov.uk/businessindus...etins/internationaltradeinservices/2015-01-30

And yes, they make us a lot of money

 

[Freakbro]

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There's also a high correlation with those who just post gifs as a response when they've lost the argument ;)

 

[twist3d0n3]

There's also a high correlation with those who just post gifs as a response when they've lost the argument

rofl

what you wrote was utterly pathetic, a gif is about the only response to your drivel.

 

[Judgeneo]

Thanks cameron, should be a point or two to leave from that performance.


Next up, "Educating Joey Essex" on ITV2 at 20:00, featuring Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and Jeremy Corbyn.
No, I'm not joking, this is actually happening.

 

[Burnsy2023]

One of the points often raised is the ability to deport foreign criminals, whether EU or other nationality due to rulings by Europe. This week we saw France, who are bound by the same rules, deport a bunch of Russians. The problem seems to lie with Westminster and how it decides to interpret the rules.

Russia isn't part of the EU though

 

[Jonners]

I've not watched the QT Special, *yet* however from what I gather, on here, Cameron has cocked up through sheer desperation?

It was only the other week he said, he would allow Gordon Brown to do the final run of the Campaign Trail, was it not?