Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%
  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%

  • Total voters
    1,759
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They can't magically do it, though. They have to show they fulfil the trigger conditions. Would we? Why do you say that?

Liechtenstein have it permanent applied. We can certainly do the same. Many part so the UK are overwhelmed by immigrants. I live London and I know my area is.
 
It's not rocket science..... non-regulation will get taken advantage off.....

They are finally paying the price for their ignorance. If we come out of the EU nothing much will change other than we accept the migrants who we want and we can kick out the ones we don't want.

Immigration isn't the reason I'm voting out - it's the lack of democracy in the EU I dislike. no one can change the crap except other ministers who also happen to be useless..... and most of the major players in the EU happen to be German - Germans are lovely people but something of a monopoly on Europe.... Angela Merkels managed to control Europe where others have failed through war....
 
We could 'certainly do the same'? Citation?

It is the legal right of all EEA countries.

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I refer you to my earlier posts. Eg.



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The fact something is a possibility if the conditions for it are met doesn't mean it'll definitely happen. I could legally kill you if you attacked me and I feared for my life/it was objectively reasonable/etc... that doesn't mean I can legally kill you now, because the conditions haven't been met... do you understand that simple concept?

Ok? Actually you can't. But regardless this is actually legally the position of an EEA country.
 
Just watched that brexit the movie documentary. It's crazy how much the EU slams down regulations on so many things at an alarming rate.

Places outside of the EU seem much better off, and much happier. Being able to trade to the rest of the world
 
I'm going to post this as its either been a long time or hasn't been discussed at all.

Are you familiar with the doctrine that no parliament can bind a future parliament? If any future government wants to get stuff through without another referendum they will simply amend Cameron's silly act, or get rid of it altogether.
 
I think Mr Jack's statement is a good summary. Given the gradual but continuous creep of the EU in terms of powers, areas of supremacy etc since we joined in the 70s, I would say it's pretty naive to place any faith on an act passed in 2011. It could easily be repealed or amended. And I would place no faith in Labour, they didn't give us any voice on the Lisbon treaty even though some senior Labour figures like Jack Straw wanted us to have a referendum.

On a related note it's interesting that Norway, Iceland and Switzerland are 1st, 2nd and 6th respectively in the Democracy Index. And Norway and Switzerland rank more highly than the UK in the freedom indices. An interesting trend given their people do not want to join the EU, and the majority who don't has been growing.
 
On a related note it's interesting that Norway, Iceland and Switzerland are 1st, 2nd and 6th respectively in the Democracy Index. And Norway and Switzerland rank more highly than the UK in the freedom indices. An interesting trend given their people do not want to join the EU, and the majority who don't has been growing.

Is it that interesting? Sweden and Denmark rank 3rd and 5th respectively and they're EU members. It doesn't appear that being a member of the EU has any effect on their democracy scores.
 
Is it that interesting? Sweden and Denmark rank 3rd and 5th respectively and they're EU members. It doesn't appear that being a member of the EU has any effect on their democracy scores.

"Its interesting that <cherry-picked stats> show that <my argument is right>"
 
Are you familiar with the doctrine that no parliament can bind a future parliament? If any future government wants to get stuff through without another referendum they will simply amend Cameron's silly act, or get rid of it altogether.

Which will be seen as obscene by large amount of voters... its worded such a way that it would only cause ire.
 
Is it that interesting? Sweden and Denmark rank 3rd and 5th respectively and they're EU members. It doesn't appear that being a member of the EU has any effect on their democracy scores.

Considerig the majority of people in Sweden want to leave if we leave (here) and people in Denmark recently rejected a further EU motion (here) I think my point still stands. As with the Dutch referendum, the recent Danish referendum was generally seen as a test of the people's view of the EU overall (here).

So it seems there is a general scepticism toward the EU from 5 of the top 6 ranked democratic countries in the world. I would suggest that's not just a coincidence.
 
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Places outside of the EU seem much better off, and much happier. Being able to trade to the rest of the world

What?

We 'trade with the rest of the world' as well you know. Just not as easily as we trade with the EU, but then the rest of the world doesn't generally trade with he rest of the world as easily as we trade with the EU either.

Plenty of British built Range Rovers in North America, for example.

But not much British beef, because of course the rest of the world is perfectly entitled to refuse things from us if they choose..
 
Scepticism of ones ruling institutions is healthy, I would have said.

I agree, but three of the top six not being in and not wanting to be in the EU, the people of another wanting to leave if we do, and a recent rejection of the EU shows it's likely a little more than 'healthy' scepticism.
 
I agree, but three of the top six not being in and not wanting to be in the EU, the people of another wanting to leave if we do, and a recent rejection of the EU shows it's likely a little more than 'healthy' scepticism.

Aye I can't really disagree with that.
 
I agree, but three of the top six not being in and not wanting to be in the EU, the people of another wanting to leave if we do, and a recent rejection of the EU shows it's likely a little more than 'healthy' scepticism.

I'm not sure we can derive causation from that. It's almost like saying none of the top 6 have wild elephants therefore not having wild elephants is directly related to happiness.
 
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