Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%
  • Total voters
    1,759
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scorza said:
I'd try and win the argument by presenting a positive, optimistic vision of Britain in the EU. The Leave campaign can do this for Britain outside the EU, why can't the 'in' campaign?
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Leaving aside views on whether that has been done by the leave campaign or not as opinions will vary. Do you not think it is legitimate to point out what you view as disinformation from the other side? People will typically remember the headlines and there is an issue where information left unchallenged, even if wrong, will start to be repeated as if it was true.
 
scorza said:
Interesting how rattled the 'in' campaign are that they wheeled out John Major to stick it to Boris.
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Interesting how the leave campaign is desperately trying to discredit his views as quickly as possible. Two can play that game :P

I'm starting to wish that The Electoral Commission call off the whole thing as both campaigns are failing to provide accurate information.
 
Agree - both side are equally trying to deceive people with dis-information. It is rather shocking how such a pivotal moment for the UK is being hijacked thus. It reflects rather poorly on Democracy.

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the whole things a runaway train of misinformation and rubbish

got a leaflet through the door from the leave campaign and it was full of "EU cost is £350 million a week" (its not) and "Turkey is about to join the EU" (its not) type stuff

keep hearing younger people say "vote into europe" as well - We are already in you fools !!

:rolleyes:
 
mjt said:
He agreed that immigration poses a problem, explained that 88m Turks invading the UK was total BS and he was pretty clear about what he was "angry with" :confused:
Bear in mind it's a 3-minute clip of John Major speaking, so Marr started speaking when it cut.
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Yeah it's alright agreeing it's a problem but he didn't offer any solutions other than to carry on with the status quo and slate the side trying to do something about it. The Turkey issue is a long term concern, which incidentally is what our referendum on the EU is also - a long term change.
 
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Roar87 said:
The Turkey issue is a long term concern, which incidentally is what our referendum on the EU is also - a long term change.
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Agree wit this. My vote isn't based on the next 5 years. It's based on what I feel is best for my children in 20+ years.
 
gettothechopper said:
the whole things a runaway train of misinformation and rubbish

got a leaflet through the door from the leave campaign and it was full of "EU cost is £350 million a week" (its not) and "Turkey is about to join the EU" (its not) type stuff

keep hearing younger people say "vote into europe" as well - We are already in you fools !!

:rolleyes:
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Presumably they referring to vote to remain...
 
Roar87 said:
Yeah it's alright agreeing it's a problem but he didn't offer any solutions other than to carry on with the status quo and slate the side trying to do something about it. The Turkey issue is a long term concern, which incidentally is what our referendum on the EU is also - a long term change.
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But he wasn't there to talk about solutions. He only explained that all this misinformation is making him angry. Especially the 88 million Turkish citizens moving over here.
Same thing as when Romania and Bulgaria were about to join EU. There were articles that claimed millions of them will be coming over. Yet the total number of immigrants from the whole world is 333k, pretty evenly split between EU and rest of the world.
 
OldCoals said:
In 20 years Turkey have met 1 of 35 criteria to join the EU.
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How did Greece get in again? Deceit. (Obviously a much nicer nation to live in comparison, but it still happened)

Brussels is foaming at the mouth when they feel their sphere of influence grow, why wouldn't they brush a few issues under the rug to attain that?
 
It would be very ironic if Britain voted to leave the EU because of Turkey when so much of the impetus towards letting Turkey join has come from Britain and our long-standing pro-enlargement stance.
 
OldCoals said:
In 20 years Turkey have met 1 of 35 criteria to join the EU.
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Agreed, but by the remain camps figures, they expect a total of several million more folks here by 2021. When the figures are totally that is of some concern to me, as the past several governments have adequately demonstrated with their various ideas that they've no way to pay for the country as it is.

If there are several million more, have the remain camp stated in any shape or form, what % of those they expect to arrive will be net contributors?

Out of interest, have we any figures relating to the past 2 or 3 years of those who arrived and what % of them are net contributors?

Immigration isn't my main EU issue, TTIP is, and that's a mess before they even approach it, but I would like to see the leave muppets actually form a coherent argument that isn't based on immigration, but that's all we are left with.


No-one seems to have mentioned a potential timebomb also. If someone comes here, works for ten years, then goes home, as far as I can tell, we will be paying that person a basic pension from their retirement age until they died. Arrive at 23, work until 33, go home to work, turn 68 (35 years time), and get a UK pension paid now it is a flat rate pension until you die. that isn't our kids footing the bill, it is the grandchildren also.

So anyone know what % are net contributors?
 
Yes
However, you will need to have a minimum number of qualifying years when you reach State Pension age (this will be set between 7 and 10 years), otherwise you will not get a single-tier pension.
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Thus 10/35 is 28.5% of the single tier pension, as it works pro rata.

We're talking millions of extra pensioners.

So as to my question, is there any information anywhere regarding net contribution for immigrants over past number of years? (given labours aborted system of tax credits that as yet hasn't been 'adjusted')
 
the other thing to remember about Turkey , they have recently gone off the deep end of nuttyness with massive crackdowns on press freedom etc - Erdogan is taking them more and more away from EU membership if anything

Skunkworks said:
Will that be before or after the next ref we get?
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3002 at current rate of progress (not including my above statement)
 
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Moses said:
So they get a fair amount based on what they paid in, but we don't have to pay for their education/early years care, nor do we have to pay for their old age care, nor do they take up slots in housing? Sounds great. More of that, please.
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I see your point, but you are somewhat incorrect.
You say the are getting a fair amount based upon what they pay in, they are not. That's why I wanted net contribution figures, as if they are not net contributors, then no, they are not getting a fair amount for a fair contribution. Quite the opposite, if they are all minimum wage workers (which I know they are not) then the amount out is vastly ahead of any contributions they will have made.

It is why we need immigrants to have a full range of jobs, and a full range of salaries, not just coming here to prop up the labour market where locals cannot or will not do the work.

So has anyone the figures?
 
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