A few people on here seem to think that Syria was some kind of stone age civilisation before the war.
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A few people on here seem to think that Syria was some kind of stone age civilisation before the war.
Don't you think it's a bit odd that the vast majority seem to have no passport or identifying documents though? If you were a genuine refugee, wouldn't you have all your details so you could get processed properly?
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As with numerous other countries Syria was a reasonably affluent industrialised country until we decided to use our heightened sense of moralality to improve it for them through a combination of starting wars on their door stap, encouraging terrorists and arming rebels against the Government. Libya, Syria and Eygpt may not have been perfect but at least they were stable and pluralistic. We should ask the Coptics, Druze, Yazidi, Zorrastrians et al how they feel about our spreading love and understanding to the middle east.
I agree the leaflet should be changed to avoid the perception of bias. I don't believe for a second that it was a deliberate attempt to bias the result or altered a single person's vote.
Come on, do you really think there are people out there who's grasp of voting is so poor that they wanted to vote leave but got confused because of that graphic?
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I've met a good few Remain supporters who don't think the uneducated should vote on this matter fullstop, so it's not a massive leap of imagination.
But in all good concience no I don't think it would sway people but in this country we do try to hold ourselves to a high standard in electoral impartiality and it is clumsily poor.
The "vast majority"? I think you might have made that up. I've seen wording like "many lack passports or other ID..." but nothing that says they're the majority.
Debateable, but anyway that's a different issue and not what the article is about. It is specifically about countries being fined for not processing applications for Asylum...which would then weed out the genuine refugees to economic migrants.
I have said this many times, but I really don't get this line of thinking. War pays no respect to social class, I don't see how an affluent middle class civilian is any less entitled to flee a war zone to save their lives than a poor one?
And since the people coming to the EU are paying people traffickers, they are the ones with money....the poor ones are still in the camps on the Syrian border. And what's with the 'mobile phones' statement, I guess you're in the camp that moan unemployed people have 'flat screen TV's' like we are still living in the late 80's where mobile phones and flat screen tv's were the preserve of the rich, unlike now where most of the world have them
Also, I know your meaning by saying health[y] Young men, as if that means they should stay and fight. Really? Have you seen and/or read about what's happened in Syria. How is an unarmed, untrained civilian going to do anything about Govt forces dropping barrel bombs on their homes or heavily armed militia shelling then storming their towns.
They aren't military, they are civilians, of course they can leave to stop being slaughtered.....that's just sensible!
Debateable but un-alterable to the fact.
Its nothing to do with class. It has to do with risk. Christians in Syria are being butchered. They are in other places, they tell you about girls taken as sex slaves by the hundred but don't reveal what happens to the boys.
Yazidi Christians in Syria are on the front line of two aspects of an oppressive system. One hand being ISIS dishing out Islam around the Jizyah and the other wholesale slaughter. That is life for them. Priests had their heads sawn off, not cut or hacked but sawn! They had this because they were Christian, not spies or enemies or enemy combatants but because of the God they pray to.
Most refugees that are genuine are trapped. I'm not talking about watching mainstream news, look at independent journalists. Remember Turkey bans reporting in its south and south eastern areas. There have been a few journalists including Europeans offed because of what they have discovered (namely Turkeys complicity with ISIS).
The mobile phone statement is a relevant one. Go and look for yourself, for such desperate people there have been hundreds of them with mobile phones.
The healthy young men comment... I think that shows conclusively reading between the lines that your grasp of the conflict is lacking knowledge. Can we at least agree on these 1-2million people (only a portion of which are Syrian) should be given a temporary stay in Europe and returned.
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The chip is real, join your remain comrades and where your chip with pride.
Don't you think it's a bit odd that the vast majority seem to have no passport or identifying documents though? If you were a genuine refugee, wouldn't you have all your details so you could get processed properly?
Even if that was the case I doubt getting your documents would be on top of your list if you were running away from war.
A statement showing that they themselves are uneducated in regards to morality, law and fairness. Nice to know school has taught them something
They sound like the kind of stupid that really shouldn't be allowed to vote with that attitude.
Don't you think it's a bit odd that the vast majority seem to have no passport or identifying documents though? If you were a genuine refugee, wouldn't you have all your details so you could get processed properly?
Depends if this is your house or not..
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=i...g5PNAhVpI8AKHU1JAIgQ_AUIBygB&biw=1280&bih=800
And that's the point about trying to enforce countries within the EU to live up to their responsibilities and share out the burden of assessing true asylum seekers
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I'm quite puzzled by the whole thing. I have no issue with helping the poor people displaced by war, but it seems a bit odd to move en masse to a new country and expect them to give you a new life. I wonder how many will be hoping to return home and rebuild when the war ends.
If you were running from war, would you take your phone out of your pocket and leave it behind?
Just checked the bookies odds since the last time (2 months ago).
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=29348909#post29348909
William Hill think exit is less likely now than then - odds lengthened from 15/8 to 21/10 (from about 35% to 32% implied probability). Remain up from 71% to 73%.
Paddy Power have gone even further, from 15/8 to 11/5 (from 35% to 31%).
Remain still the hot favourite.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=29348909#post29348909
William Hill think exit is less likely now than then - odds lengthened from 15/8 to 21/10 (from about 35% to 32% implied probability). Remain up from 71% to 73%.
Paddy Power have gone even further, from 15/8 to 11/5 (from 35% to 31%).
Remain still the hot favourite.
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This makes for a fun retrospective read:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11184760/David-Cameron-demands-emergency-talks-over-EU-budget-demand.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11184760/David-Cameron-demands-emergency-talks-over-EU-budget-demand.html
Or if my house was being shelled would I think right phone then go back for wife and kids. Contextually we are both right.
Ok, would such desperate people start attacking people who come to help them, start throwing water given to them away and also destroy whole pallets of food?
One such do-gooder in France changed her mind about the desperate people she was helping. What about the rise in robberies, rapes/sexual assaults, thefts, assaults, harassment etc? When importing these people should show thanks and behave with dignity and respect. There have been over 1,000 sexual assaults (including rape and sexual violence) since this started. And that's only what's been reported leaked. Mainstream media didn't report the Cologne incident how it actually unfolded.
Project fear... Do as we say or else.
Nice to know after calamity incorporated (aka calm me Dave) people are still trusting what he says
Most are not Syrian. They are opportunists. Once the war is over they can all go back to help rebuild.
On another oft forgotten element. These people travel to Europe why exactly? They have several countries with fantastic wealth right by. Why have the friendly head choppers Saudi Arabia not taken in a million or so? Kuwait? Abu Dhabi, Bahrain?
Did we pay the whole amount ?
Apart from you generally carry your mobile phone on you rather than leave it in the house
It's all there if you want to read about it.
There ended up 5 rapes from the Cologne incident, and the vast amount of sexual assault (groping) was a cover for theft. (And before I get accused of anything, explaining the facts isn't condoning anything)
They also pretty exclusively turned out to be North African/Morrocan economic and illegal migrants, hence the stealing, not Syrian refugees.
In fact there were media reports of groups of Syrian men protecting women against the assaults.
Again, the issue of genuine refugees and illegal migrants seem to get obscured into one big 'the foreigners are out to get you' line.
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