Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

[Mr Jack]

I've met a good few Remain supporters who don't think the uneducated should vote on this matter fullstop, so it's not a massive leap of imagination.

I think as many people as possible should vote. Speaking of which: tomorrow is the last day that it is possible to register to vote - you will need your NI number to register to vote.

But in all good concience no I don't think it would sway people but in this country we do try to hold ourselves to a high standard in electoral impartiality and it is clumsily poor.

Yeah, I'd agree. Bristol council made a mistake and should do better.

 

[scorza]

This makes for a fun retrospective read:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11184760/David-Cameron-demands-emergency-talks-over-EU-budget-demand.html

Topical: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36457376

Britain could face an extra £2.4bn bill if we stay in the EU.

 

[Freakbro]

Topical: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36457376

Britain could face an extra £2.4bn bill if we stay in the EU.

Looking at those bookies odds, It's a shame your Project Fear isn't working as well as Remains

 

[scorza]

Looking at those bookies odds, It's a shame your Project Fear isn't working as well as Remains

I certainly don't deny that the pro-EU campaign has this in the bag - their Project Fear campaign has certainly been effective. Unlike remain, my gloomy predictions aren't based on dodgy stats from the same academic industry that said 13,000 Polish people would come to live in the UK, they're based on past behaviour of the EU and its proponents. David Cameron says that we won't have to pay an extra £2.4bn to the EU, well he also said he wouldn't pay the extra £1.7bn to the EU a few years ago.

 

[Mr Jack]

If you were running from war, would you take your phone out of your pocket and leave it behind?

If you were running from a war would you take with you the one device that can help you find your way to your destination, help you get information on where to go, help you find out where to avoid, and let you keep in touch with your friends and relatives?

In reality of course, most people aren't being herded from their houses with seconds to spare. They know the war is coming their way and take a decision on when to leave and have time to pack a few essentials - and top of that list is going to be the smartphone; it's just too useful. As for why some don't have passports with them: I would expect that a large proportion of Syrians simply don't have passports.

 

[Freakbro]

I certainly don't deny that the pro-EU campaign has this in the bag - their Project Fear campaign has certainly been effective. Unlike remain, my gloomy predictions aren't based on dodgy stats from the same academic industry that said 13,000 Polish people would come to live in the UK, they're based on past behaviour of the EU and its proponents. David Cameron says that we won't have to pay an extra £2.4bn to the EU, well he also said he wouldn't pay the extra £1.7bn to the EU a few years ago.

No yours are based on the prediction that 100 million Africans are on their way (or 26 million Romanians, 88 million Turks.......)

 

[PapaLazaru]

Topical: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36457376

Britain could face an extra £2.4bn bill if we stay in the EU.

The word 'could' and the fact that Boris, who is now desperately trying to hang on to his dreams about becoming PM said is saying anything in desperation means it holds no real ground.

They're getting desperate Scorza and you know it.

 

[Crpwned]

Topical: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36457376

Britain could face an extra £2.4bn bill if we stay in the EU.

The fear mongering is strong with this one
Apart from the fact that we won't be footing the bill - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36456277

 

[Mr Jack]

I really liked this from Gordon Brown:

 

[Roar87]

Looking at those bookies odds, It's a shame your Project Fear isn't working as well as Remains

It wouldn't surprise me if the banks offered to cover the bookies losses to make it look like Remain was going to win, it might make a few Leave voters not bother to turn out. Plus as we discussed earlier, odds are based on what bets have already been placed. If you put £20 million on Leave the odds would swing in favour of Leave

 

[scorza]

No yours are based on the prediction that 100 million Africans are on their way (or 26 million Romanians, 88 million Turks.......)

Actually, my predictions on immigration are that net migration will continue to be at an unsustainable rate (the current rate of ~330k a year is unsustainable) while we're in the EU, and that unsustainable rate will grow as the EU expands.

 

[scorza]

The fear mongering is strong with this one
Apart from the fact that we won't be footing the bill - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36456277

Forgive me if I don't share your confidence that Cameron's 'thin gruel' deal is worth the paper it's written on. It certainly isn't legally binding.

 

[Cosimo]

Topical: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36457376

Britain could face an extra £2.4bn bill if we stay in the EU.

King Boris now fully subscribed to Project Fear.

 

[Freakbro]

It wouldn't surprise me if the banks offered to cover the bookies odds to make it look like Remain was going to win, it might make a few Leave voters not bother to turn out.

Jesus, the tin foil hat paranoia is strong in the Leave camp

Plus as we discussed earlier, odds are based on what bets have already been placed. If you put £20 million on Leave the odds would swing in favour of Leave

Yeah, I know how the bookies work, hence the to show I wasn't being serious

 

[KillBoY_UK]

If you were running from war, would you take your phone out of your pocket and leave it behind?

I remember seeing the pictures of Albanian refugees from the Kosovo War & Ethnic cleansing where they where kissing the ground as they where kissing the ground happy to cross the first safe boarder they could find let alone being help afterwards. After-all they where systematically getting ethnically cleansed/raped/killed.

A little different to some of these "refugees" who are travelling across Europe to 2 or 3 particular richer country.

Not to mention the EU's lack for reaction to it all.

 

[Freakbro]

I remember seeing the pictures of Albanian refugees from the Kosovo War & Ethnic cleansing where they where kissing the ground as they where kissing the ground happy to cross the first safe boarder they could find let alone being help afterwards. After-all they where systematically getting ethnically cleansed/raped/killed.

A little different to some of these "refugees" who are travelling across Europe to 2 or 3 particular richer country.

Not to mention the EU's lack for reaction to it all.

You do realise these people have been sat in the refugee camps in the first safe border country they got to for the last 5 years, don't you?

They are only moving on now because the money pledged to keep those camps running is drying up and the camps starting to fail.

The reasons they travel deeper into Europe is many fold, partly to do with the fact the eastern Europeans wouldn't take them (which is what we have been discussing about sanctioning them for - which oddly some people have a problem with) and partly because certain countries said 'come to us'

 

[RaohNS]

Apart from you generally carry your mobile phone on you rather than leave it in the house

It's all there if you want to read about it.

There ended up 5 rapes from the Cologne incident, and the vast amount of sexual assault (groping) was a cover for theft. (And before I get accused of anything, explaining the facts isn't condoning anything)

They also pretty exclusively turned out to be North African/Morrocan economic and illegal migrants, hence the stealing, not Syrian refugees.

In fact there were media reports of groups of Syrian men protecting women against the assaults.

Again, the issue of genuine refugees and illegal migrants seem to get obscured into one big 'the foreigners are out to get you' line.

Well I aren't permanently attached to mine 24/7. When I am in the house its not on me.

According to the evidence you have cherry picked there was, hundreds of women reported but most could not be pursued because of lack of evidence. Groping was a cover for theft??? Really??? I bet criminals are thinking hmmm I could rob and have a feel but its ok because I just tried to steal.

I wouldn't accuse kf that but what I am saying is we are importing statistically intolerant and backward people. Media reports of Syrian men protecting??? Ha! A bit like the media creating false stories of migrants helping with flooding in Austria recently. I would be highly sceptical of that remark/headline/claim. I seem to recall it was a mass of of migrants causing destruction and fear not going over to help. I've seen plenty of footage of it and I don't see a one calling for calm or holding hands up to stop.

 

[RaohNS]

You do realise these people have been sat in the refugee camps in the first safe border country they got to for the last 5 years, don't you?

They are only moving on now because the money pledged to keep those camps running is drying up and the camps starting to fail.

The reasons they travel deeper into Europe is many fold, partly to do with the fact the eastern Europeans wouldn't take them (which is what we have been discussing about sanctioning them for - which oddly some people have a problem with) and partly because certain countries said 'come to us'

Just a thought on one of your comments... Have you ever seen how refugee camps are run in Turkey as in worked there???

 

[Third Opinion]

King Boris now fully subscribed to Project Fear.

Although I don't find it as scary as war, millions unemployed, house price crashes, crashing economies coming out of David's mouth.

 

[Freakbro]

Just a thought on one of your comments... Have you ever seen how refugee camps are run in Turkey as in worked there???

Not first hand, no, does that matter? As I have seen reports from people who are working there through the UN and spoken to a few people who take aid to migrant camps and I'm not in the paranoid Leave camp that I dismiss everything I hear if it comes from 'an official source'