Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

[Cold Fusion]

Genuinely is the BBC coverage of the referendum seem biased to Remain or am I in the minority in thinking this?

 

[Freakbro]

Although I don't find it as scary as war, millions unemployed, house price crashes, crashing economies coming out of David's mouth.

Then it's a rubbish Project Fear, if you are going to do something you might as well do it properly!

 

[Freakbro]

Genuinely is the BBC coverage of the referendum seem biased to Remain or am I in the minority in thinking this?

Not on this forum, you're in good company here

 

[Mr Jack]

Genuinely is the BBC coverage of the referendum seem biased to Remain or am I in the minority in thinking this?

As part of the Remain camp I find the BBC's coverage frustrating. I don't think the media's obsession with this being a Tory civil war* is helping us at all. Given that the both the Remain and the Leave camp dislike the BBC's coverage, I think it's fair to say they're probably not biased. Although they might be rubbish

* - there is a Tory civil war over this but, come on, let's hear from some of the other voices, hey?

 

[scorza]

I really liked this from Gordon Brown:

Love the implication that WW3 will break out if we vote to Leave.

OK great - we should lead in Europe, so why didn't he when he was in charge? Why didn't he sign the Treaty of Lisbon? instead sending David Milliband to do it for him? Why as chancellor did he let Tony Blair sign away 20% of the UK rebate for a vague promise to reform the CAP, which never happened? That's not leading is it? The EU ran rings around him and every other British Prime Minister.

 

[Mulder]

OK great - we should lead in Europe, so why didn't he when he was in charge? Why didn't he sign the Treaty of Lisbon? instead sending David Milliband to do it for him? Why as chancellor did he let Tony Blair sign away 20% of the UK rebate for a vague promise to reform the CAP, which never happened? That's not leading is it? The EU ran rings around him and every other British Prime Minister.

It's probably the main thing that frustrates me about remainers - the belief that we have influence in the EU when we patently have very little. If we have influence then why do we have massive red tape that costs us billions and even the Governemnt accepts is a huge problem and cost to UK businesses.

Add to that the trend around standards/regulations etc going global anyway and the whole 'we have influence' argument falls apart.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Pound given a good kicking by pro Brexit polling today, it had been recovering nicely

 

[RaohNS]

Not first hand, no, does that matter? As I have seen reports from people who are working there through the UN and spoken to a few people who take aid to migrant camps and I'm not in the paranoid Leave camp that I dismiss everything I hear if it comes from 'an official source'

Because if you knew how Turkey conducts its handling of refugee camps "not for the cameras" you would be appalled. A friend of mine who is Iraqi incidentally, worked for the red crescent and how his camps were run would not qualify to be called an aid agency from what he described. He hated it and was sacked for blowing the whistle on what his boss and others were doing.

It only matters in relation to how refugees are being treated, their release into Europe and so on. Erdogan has the EU by the balls, he knows it and we know it. One side the EU seem to be into that sort of thing and have pandered to the whims of a maniac.

I wouldn't give "official sources" the light of day unless empirical evidence is open to scrutiny.

 

[StriderX]

Has gordon brown cried yet?

 

[Outcast]

Tin foil or brain food ?

IS THIS REFERENDUM THE BIGGEST CON TRICK IN BRITISH HISTORY?

I have to say, I've always had doubts about the purpose of this referendum, and more importantly, its timing. The EU is on the cusp of another big push forward towards a single federal state. Some of the proposals in last year's Five Presidents' Report are already well advanced, and Britain will be deeply involved, particularly in Capital Markets Union, which will hand control of the City to the EU on a silver platter. It's being actively promoted by David Cameron's unelected crony Commissioner Lord Hill. The plan is for a fully integrated Eurozone with an elected presidency, fiscal and economic union. The Single VAT area (of which we would also be a member) is also being developed. Even if the UK is permitted to opt out of the political union (and how can it, if there is an elected president for the EU?), the other policies which encompass the whole union will give this new empire complete control over key areas of our economy and law (financial, property and company law are three areas where Capital Markets Union will surrender legislative powers to the EU).
No British government could sell this to the British people. So what do you do? You hold a sham "renegotiation" which offers nothing and then hold a referendum, predict apocalypse if people vote to leave, and hope to trick them to stay in the EU by claiming that you have secured reforms.
Three or four years later when the treaties are being completed for the new EU, you will not offer a referendum, saying that people have had their say and given carte blanche to the government to negotiate in any way it pleases.
So make sure you know exactly what you're voting for. If there is a Remain vote, the EU will take it as the green light to press full steam ahead with the next stage of the master plan and Britain will be on the fast track to oblivion.

 

[Chris Wilson]

If you were running from a war would you take with you the one device that can help you find your way to your destination, help you get information on where to go, help you find out where to avoid, and let you keep in touch with your friends and relatives?

It's telling their destination of choice is right across the world in affluent European countries, isn't it? Countries often held to blame for strife in the Middle east. I wonder why they feel compelled to make such a journey, en masse? If I were displaced by war from my home in England, I would go no further away than I deemed safe, with the hope of returning, not travel to Australia or New Zealand.

I think any open minded person would conclude they are drawn here and into other northern EU countries by the economics, making them far more accurately described as economic migrants, not true refugees.

As for the huge numbers without papers there are many who freely admit burning all ID and then claiming to be from other countries or religions to corruptly seek asylum. Europe must not allow weight of numbers and the emotions of the Liberals to better security concerns.

Still awaiting figures for deportation levels from Germany, Sweden and elsewhere, one has to suspect a lack of firm figures means virtually sod all have been kicked out...

 

[Mr Jack]

Tin foil or brain food ?

Choo choo! All aboard the crazy train!

 

[RaohNS]

Tin foil or brain food ?

Their is large chunks of truth in there.

Any remain vote will be the green light for Europe. They will then begin to integrate European armies etc. Democracy will be taken from us gladly. All the hyperbole for remain is just a screen of rainbows and meadows. Even with renegotiation it falls far too short. TTIP when it truly arrives will be the death knell in many respects.

I wonder what David Cameron has been promised in return for voting for the EU?

 

[Freakbro]

Because if you knew how Turkey conducts its handling of refugee camps "not for the cameras" you would be appalled. A friend of mine who is Iraqi incidentally, worked for the red crescent and how his camps were run would not qualify to be called an aid agency from what he described. He hated it and was sacked for blowing the whistle on what his boss and others were doing.

Yea, I have no doubts I would be appalled, not surprised, but appalled

 

[RaohNS]

Genuinely is the BBC coverage of the referendum seem biased to Remain or am I in the minority in thinking this?

Who do you think provided millions in funding to the BBC? Yup the Eau apparatchiks. That's why their coverage is in the main biased or at the very least slightly skewed

 

[RaohNS]

Yea, I have no doubts I would be appalled, not surprised, but appalled

indeed.

Still my belief was that the Saudis should have taken most of these people. At least they would have returned them when safe and not made laws ensuring they can stay indefinitely.

 

[Tunney]

Who do you think provided millions in funding to the BBC? Yup the Eau apparatchiks. That's why their coverage is in the main biased or at the very least slightly skewed

I don't think that EU funding has any affect on the BBC's output. The main problem that the BBC faces is that its staff are mostly middle-class, well educated and relatively young. Their staff tick all of the pro-EU boxes.

The has two effects:

1) Their natural biases occasionally shine through even when they're trying to be objective
2) They overcompensate and give too much time to people like Nigel Farage

It's a tough job. The fact that the BBC's political coverage is as hated by the left as the right demonstrates, in my mind, that they mostly do a good job.

Ultimately, the BBC needs to employ a more diverse range of people to remain truly objective though.

 

[scorza]

It's probably the main thing that frustrates me about remainers - the belief that we have influence in the EU when we patently have very little. If we have influence then why do we have massive red tape that costs us billions and even the Governemnt accepts is a huge problem and cost to UK businesses.

Add to that the trend around standards/regulations etc going global anyway and the whole 'we have influence' argument falls apart.

They know that influence isn't easily measured, so they just claim that we'll lose influence if we Leave and that's the end of the argument as far as they're concerned, despite it being entirely logical that if you give away your influence to a foreign entity, then you've lost influence.

 

[Trifid]

Genuinely is the BBC coverage of the referendum seem biased to Remain or am I in the minority in thinking this?

The news has a remain bias or more of a discontent for leave interviews from the bits I've seen. However Paxman in Europe was very much on a leave slant and Question Time they try very hard to be unbiased but seems to have a slight leave edge to the audience.

 

[RaohNS]

I don't think that EU funding has any affect on the BBC's output. The main problem that the BBC faces is that its staff are mostly middle-class, well educated and relatively young. Their staff tick all of the pro-EU boxes.

The has two effects:

1) Their natural biases occasionally shine through even when they're trying to be objective
2) They overcompensate and give too much time to people like Nigel Farage

It's a tough job. The fact that the BBC's political coverage is as hated by the left as the right demonstrates, in my mind, that they mostly do a good job.

Ultimately, the BBC needs to employ a more diverse range of people to remain truly objective though.

If someone gave you tens of millions of pounds (or heading that way that we know to). How would you edit your programme to be more friendly?

I agree the age and socioeconomic background. Working class people and working poor are overwhelmingly out.

I haven't seen a lot of Farage on the BBC. Again, given him achieving his lifes ambition it was a smack in the face to give the campaign over to Vote Leave and equally exclude him from a large portion of debate. He is the man in the know in this regard as he has had 20years looking at the necessity to leave and its actions needed afterwards.

It does. The BBC needs to ban all white people