Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

[bayo000]

But one could argue it's only unsustainable because past governments didn't invest extra money made by these immigrants in services to cope with the extra demand.
And we all know that overall immigrants, especially EU, are net contributors.

 

[scorza]

And we still project power well beyond our size. But that's not the point. Whoever that Mod was is talking as though we can't survive without the EU and it's just nonsense. There are too many youngsters who can't remember life pre-EU.

We'll be fine.

It was refreshing to watch Channel 4 news today which had a live studio audience of young people debating the referendum issue. Quite a few of them were very intelligent and articulate, and I'd say a healthy proportion of them were supporting Leave. Unfortunately there were a few mouth-breathers who used the xenophobic/racist card whenever immigration was brought up

 

[Phreaky]

Leave all the way!!

EU is a sinking ship.

Would be treason to vote remain.

**** me I've heard it all now. What next, chemtrails?

 

[bayo000]

He's not the first and probably not the last one either.

 

[V F]

It was refreshing to watch Channel 4 news today which had a live studio audience of young people debating the referendum issue. Quite a few of them were very intelligent and articulate, and I'd say a healthy proportion of them were supporting Leave. Unfortunately there were a few mouth-breathers who used the xenophobic/racist card whenever immigration was brought up

Currently watching the clip, Britain faces a crucial decision. If you don't vote, you can't complain.

Wonder how many will be thitching about it.

 

[Six6siX]

As is their right, only a berk would answer every cherry picked trick or moronic question.

It was a while ago but none of the posts I recall were cherry picked or moronic. In the interest of a rounded discussion it makes sense to try and address any posts that directly address your point(s). I was querying it to see whether it was intentional or just missed. Seems it was the latter.

I just have done - unsustainable levels of net migration to the UK for example is the negative consequence of free movement of people. IMO it outweighs any benefit we get from it.

I'd rather have not pick solely on immigration again as it has been discussed to death but since you chose it (and it is does seem to be the most common reason for an out vote), lets go with it.

How do you quantify unsustainable? Evidence here suggests that the GDP per head is negligible.

Do we not control immigration levels into the UK already as part of the EU?

Can you be more explicit as to the negatives? I'm keen to go into detail as I'm genuinely curious as to why you consider immigration not to be a benefit to this country.

 

[Terminal_Boy]

It was refreshing to watch Channel 4 news today which had a live studio audience of young people debating the referendum issue. Quite a few of them were very intelligent and articulate, and I'd say a healthy proportion of them were supporting Leave. Unfortunately there were a few mouth-breathers who used the xenophobic/racist card whenever immigration was brought up

The Labour MP and the blogger/author still haven't got the memo that people aren't afraid of being called a racist any more.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

It was refreshing to watch Channel 4 news today which had a live studio audience of young people debating the referendum issue. Quite a few of them were very intelligent and articulate, and I'd say a healthy proportion of them were supporting Leave. Unfortunately there were a few mouth-breathers who used the xenophobic/racist card whenever immigration was brought up

I didn't mean to cause offence with my last comment. I am not suggesting that young voters can't have valid views, I just meant that a specific demographic will never have known anything else.

 

[Six6siX]

And we still project power well beyond our size. But that's not the point. Whoever that Mod was is talking as though we can't survive without the EU and it's just nonsense. There are too many youngsters who can't remember life pre-EU.

We'll be fine.

Do we? It is the point - it's a significantly different backdrop as far as the global economy is concerned compared to pre EU times. There's a lot more cohesion and there are a lot more common goals between many different countries - does it not make sense that with the same general common goal, we combine efforts rather than stand alone?

No sane person voting remain would be thinking that we couldn't survive without the EU - I don't think that has ever been an argument by anyone other than the scaremongering campaigns - its more about the feeling and considered opinion that all things considered, we gain more from being part of the whole than standing alone given the current state of the world.

And it's those same youngsters that have exactly the same voting power and right as those who do remember pre EU life - the opinion is equally valid.

edit:

I didn't mean to cause offence with my last comment. I am not suggesting that young voters can't have valid views, I just meant that a specific demographic will never have known anything else.

By the same token, one could argue that the older generation are part of an equally specific demographic that hasn't kept up with the modern world and how the times have changed since then.

 

[bayo000]

I didn't mean to cause offence with my last comment. I am not suggesting that young voters can't have valid views, I just meant that a specific demographic will never have known anything else.

But that's the group of people that will feel the outcome (either way) the most. You have people here saying they never got a vote whether they want to be in or out and at the same time they wish young people won't turn up to vote.

 

[Tefal]

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Lolwut? Not if we're outside of the single market. Discrimination inside the single market isn't allowed... but sod everyone else. It's why we can't limit EU migration, but can and do limit non-EU migration (using whatever criteria we want). An Indian person can't take us to the ECJ for rejecting their visa application...

The EU human rights laws regarding everyone being entitiled to a family life etc.

If spain deliberately tried to exclude brits as a punishment, theyd be forcing them out of thier homes out of the lives they built etc.

Id be willing to bet there wpuld be some law firms who could tie that up for decades in the eu courts.

That indian you mention hasnt been living here legally for the past decade plus like most of those brits have spain

 

[Tefal]

Do we? It is the point - it's a significantly different backdrop as far as the global economy is concerned compared to pre EU times. There's a lot more cohesion and there are a lot more common goals between many different countries - does it not make sense that with the same general common goal, we combine efforts rather than stand alone?


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Does it make sense to join and stay with the first group that pops up regardles of how it goes?

Or to pick/form a better one?

 

[delta0]

Postal vote sent today. Voted out. We will get a better deal voting out. It is the biggest bargaining chip we can get.

 

[V F]

Postal vote sent today. Voted out. We will get a better deal voting out. It is the biggest bargaining chip we can get.

 

[delta0]

 

[Six6siX]

Does it make sense to join and stay with the first group that pops up regardles of how it goes?

Or to pick/form a better one?

In the interest of unification and power in numbers, it seems to make more sense to me (less risky) to stick with the majority especially given that more want to join and that we have a pretty reasonable influence to fine tune it to whatever we have more of an interest in.

The alternative seems to be scrap the last few decades, undo whatever positives inroads have been made and run off like a petulant child to start from scratch with our own club? Yes, we might have more control over certain things but at what cost to relations and economy?

Logically, given the risk of the many unknowns, I think it makes more sense to work with what we have.

 

[Combat Fighter]

**** me

I'd rather not with so many dogs about

 

[Iraklis F.C.]

am i the only one who feels your parliament will block or delay indefinitely a "leave" vote? the stakes are too damn high on this referendum.

 

[Freakbro]

Offtttt!

https://www.politicshome.com/news/e...-slams-michael-gove-over-£8-billion-nhs-claim

It's almost like Gove is either ; cherry picking parts of a report that fits with his viewpoint or didn't read to the end of the report he was using....

He'd fit right into our GD discussions!

 

[Caged]

Michael Gove in saying whatever will further his personal position shocker. Nobody has time for facts or reports or studies when there's a gut feeling to go with.