Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

[bayo000]

So why do they constantly spout out rubbish/lies.

for example WW3, £4300 worse off, invaded by martians interest rate rises, inflation, Pensions falling even though they are protected with a triple lock.

I could go on...

Why can we only buy bananas in bunches of 2, there are 88 million turks on the way here SOON, pretty much all of Africa on the way here this summer, we get full control of borders but at the same time saying that Norway model is the preferred one post exit, you know the one where they have free movement of people and so on and so on

 

[balky12]

This is simply false. Before Black Wednesday the Pound was typically worth somewhere around $1.75, after Black Wednesday it dropped to around $1.50 and it wasn't until 2004 that the average GDP:USD rate recovered to similar levels.

Not that simple though is it? If Black Wednesday didn't happen would the Pound of stayed US$1.75 forever? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe it would have dropped to US$1.65 so therefore it would have 'recovered' earlier.

 

[balky12]

I'm not sure how anyone could argue that the strength of the pound won't drop in the short term if we vote to leave.

Mid term and long term are up in air. I don't think it will substantially make our economy worse or better either way (from a economic ranking perspective).

I don't think anyone is arguing against the first point? You are seeing the effects currently.

 

[Freakbro]

Not that simple though is it? If Black Wednesday didn't happen would the Pound of stayed US$1.75 forever? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe it would have dropped to US$1.65 so therefore it would have 'recovered' earlier.

Well it is simple to rubbish eatcustards post that the pound bounced back in weeks after the ERM, yes

But then it's pretty easy to rubbish most of his posts since he's a bit 'special'

 

[[TW]Fox]

You need to ignore the campaigns and do your own research. We won't be 4300 worse off if we leave and we won't be overwhelmed with immigrants if we don't.

 

[jas72]

I'm OUT!

I copied this from another forum. Sums it up for me.

If you don’t understand what all the fuss is about. Here is the EU put simply.


A son goes to his Dad having saved up some money from his weekend job.
Son “ Dad I’ve saved up £350 pounds to buy the new laptop I need for my college course”
Dad “Well done son, give the money to me and I’ll help you”
Son “Ok now what?”
Dad “I will allow you £185 pounds back less my handling fee of £5 so £180 which you may only spend on a new phone”
Son “But I need a laptop!”
Dad “No, we’ve decided you can only buy a phone and you may only buy a phone from Germany and it must be pink. You must also source the phone within 2 days otherwise I will not release the money”
Son “But it’s my money!”
Dad “I’m afraid you are a member of this family and you must contribute to everyone else’s needs. I will decide how the money is spent”
Son “So what happens to the £165?”
Dad “Well your sister needs a new dress”
Son “She has already had many new dresses”
Dad “We’ve put it to the vote and I’m afraid you’re outvoted”
Son “But I need a laptop to continue my course!”
Dad “My decision is final”
Son “But that’s not fair, will I ever have a say in how my money is spent”
Dad “No, and by the way we’ve got a couple more people moving into your room and you’ll have to pay for their keep”
Son “Well I’m leaving then”
Dad “Don’t be like that lad, we need your money. And if you leave you won’t be able to buy a pink phone from Germany you’ll have to buy one here instead”
Son “I NEED A LAPTOP!”
Simples

Son goes to buy LAPTOP finds out that with import duties the LAPTOP is now 470 £.

Oh and his dad's company has relocated to the EU, inflation means he cannot pay his mortgage, he's found another job and is on the street.

Meanwhile his wife needs an operation but with Boris in power he's signed a deal with the US to allow them to buy the NHS, the sale of which under Boris and Gove made the exchequer billions and made up for loss of trade and slump in the economy.

 

[bam0]

Illegal immigrants go to mainland Europe, they claim asylum, they (most)get it, then after 4 years become Europeans so can come to UK and take our houses and turn vast areas into ghettos (look at Paris for that)

Yes, that's definitely the plan they all have, uproot themselves now, go live in Poland for 4 years then uproot their families again and move to the UK to ghettoise it. The problems in Paris have nothing at all to do with the ex French colonies in North Africa, nothing at all.

 

[eatcustard]

Why can we only buy bananas in bunches of 2, there are 88 million turks on the way here SOON, pretty much all of Africa on the way here this summer, we get full control of borders but at the same time saying that Norway model is the preferred one post exit, you know the one where they have free movement of people and so on and so on

But the UK will not have the Norway model, but a UK one, you know the one with no FREE movement

 

[Nitefly]

I don't think anyone is arguing against the first point? You are seeing the effects currently.

I think a common stay argument is "economy will fall" to which the usual retort is "no it won't". The less bombastic version is "economy will fall in the near future" and the retort "yes but it will rise again soon".

 

[Chris Wilson]

The guy next door expects an In vote and has prepared his car for more unfettered immigration of dentists and barristers

 

[jas72]

Yes, that's definitely the plan they all have, uproot themselves now, go live in Poland for 4 years then uproot their families again and move to the UK to ghettoise it. The problems in Paris have nothing at all to do with the ex French colonies in North Africa, nothing at all.

Nothing to do with the mass influx of Algerians in the 1960s due to the war of independence?

Or the fact that Paris created substandard housing for them all instead of integrating them within current housing stock?

NOTHING AT ALL?

 

[scorza]

nm

 

[bayo000]

But the UK will not have the Norway model, but a UK one, you know the one with no FREE movement

Oh really? Has that been agreed anywhere?

 

[bam0]

Nothing to do with the mass influx of Algerians in the 1960s due to the war of independence?

Or the fact that Paris created substandard housing for them all instead of integrating them within current housing stock?

NOTHING AT ALL?

Algeria the ex-French colony in North Africa, that one?
And a failure of Government policy, I'm not sure what exactly you're arguing.

 

[Tunney]

But the UK will not have the Norway model, but a UK one, you know the one with no FREE movement

You're going to be bitterly disappointed when your vision for an independent Britain isn't realised, even after a successful leave vote.

 

[Danthus]

Illegal immigrants go to mainland Europe, they claim asylum, they (most)get it, then after 4 years become Europeans so can come to UK and take our houses and turn vast areas into ghettos (look at Paris for that)

Illegal immigrants will still be illegal immigrants whether were are a member or the EU or not.

 

[Mr Jack]

Not that simple though is it? If Black Wednesday didn't happen would the Pound of stayed US$1.75 forever? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe it would have dropped to US$1.65 so therefore it would have 'recovered' earlier.

I was responding only to the clearly false assertion in Eatcustard's post that the pound recovered it's strength after "three weeks". It didn't. Whether it would have behaved similarly or not under a counterfactual is a different question.

 

[Outcast]

 

[Mr Jack]

But the UK will not have the Norway model, but a UK one, you know the one with no FREE movement

Given the number of EU leaders that have come out saying that there will be no access to the Single Market, the historical position of the EU on this, and the trouble it would make for the EU's existing relationships (in particular, the one with Switzerland) what is your basis for believing that this is even a remote possibility?

 

[oneilldo]

Might be worth a watch if you didn't catch it.
Sunday politics
Skip to 8mins 30secs
Emma Reynolds vs Dan Hannan

It is an interesting take on the risks of staying and I think she really struggled (18mins in)
Any questions about future risks, she kept changing to what currently happens or got personal.

Worth a watch no matter what your view/side is.