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Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)
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Clearly his University education is serving him well............
They couldn't force us, we would have to negotiate and agree with the terms of any deal. Given the number of trade deals the US has and the special relationship/amount of trade between the US and the U.K. I don't think this would be a problem
If we're in the EU we get dragged into whatever trade deal they sign us upto.
Um, no.
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Can I ask a question,
I've always planned on retiring in the EU, as does my mum in the near future, how will your collection of state pension be effected living in the EU if we exit?
I've always planned on retiring in the EU, as does my mum in the near future, how will your collection of state pension be effected living in the EU if we exit?
David Cameron has been one of the biggest proponents of TTIP. It has faced a lot more resistance on the continent. No-one was dragging us into TTIP except our own democratically leader.
Thankfully, it looks dead in the water now though.
I don't think that's clear at the moment.
https://www.gov.uk/new-state-pension/living-and-working-overseas
Seems it would depend on the country you retire in and where the UK sits in relation to the EEA post exit as to how much you'd get but I don't think your ability to claim it would be affected.
You'll no longer have the right to do so* but it's likely that whichever country you're thinking of going to will allow it providing you've got a reasonable amount of money you can point to** but you'll have lost rights to healthcare, etc. on the same terms as locals and will most likely need to pay a considerable sum to get that access back. You'll also probably have to pay for the visa to enter the country in the first place.
The payment of the pension will almost certainly be unaffected, however Brexit is likely to weaken the value of the pound so you would get less value from it. There may also be some tax consequences.
* - unless we re-enter the EEA with free movement.
** - for comparison purposes, for non-EU citizens the UK asks from an annual income of £25k to retire to the UK while Spain asks for $10k/year (+$1.7k/year for each dependent) to retire to Spain and you must take out medical insurance.
Anyone from the Leave camp want to try and defend Vote.Leave creating a fake register to vote page?
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Defend what? They have a website and from the screenshots were not claiming to be the site where you have to register to vote...I really don't get what controversy there is supposed to be here????
What's your outrage here?
The fact that Vote.Leave paid for advertising for a site claiming to give you voting information about registering to vote but actually did nothing of the sort? Does that not strike you as dishonest at all?
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That wouldn't even make sense. Not helping people to register to vote to leave doesn't help Vote.Leave in any way...
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Theres a system for commonwealth retirees as I remember, the main part seems to be how often you go home and I expect EU to be similar. I think it'll not alter the amounts as its paid regularly not a lump sum, exchange rate and what items cost locally depend on that country more then UK pension. Europe banks will continue to work fine with UK banks, they gain money from such transactions and they wont turn down profitable arbitrage between countries
People mention Sterling must drop if we leave EU, the idea I guess is EU is larger. Euro is being devalued in recent years I think to help schemes such as the Greek bail out, debt is now being issued by the ECB and obviously their interest rates are negative with QE being done which was not the case before.
Euro did used to be a strong currency and it did rise for many years but actions then were very different to now. They seem likely to repeat these actions and the Greek situation is not cured.
The Euro is a reserve currency and so is Sterling, its held by every central bank of the world in some proportion. Go back a century and it was the main foreign reserve, before Dollar. We are nowhere near that now but it is used, we would need to do a lot worse to beat the Euro in being weaker then its set to now. The Swiss had a fixed link to Euro but had to discontinue because of their ECB policy changes.
Current movement is speculation before the event, its not clear 1.45 for a dollar is the long term result
This is a graph for how many pounds a euro buys
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
We are a big player but we run a trade deficit, Europe has a low growth problem. If UK wants to fix its problem with exporting less then it buys, its likely found with more sales to higher growth areas of the world
The mystery box is that trade does not rely on politics to allow it, people buy because they want or need the product not because laws are passed. Its possible to be worse off in the EU with the those laws, its even possible UK is fine if leaving those EU laws for now. Its pretty transparent not opaque, we have our own exchange rate and ability to trade outside the EU. Its not sensible to suggest EU will now block UK trade as they require us as a customer also. Thats our leverage we are a large modern wealthy nation and thats useful (even unique) trade to Germany and others.
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To be fair only those voting for Leave would get caught out by that so they only hurt themselves really by doing this.
But I'd agree that Leave are using some pretty dishonest methods in their campaign, like producing leaflets using template pretty similar to official NHS one.
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It doesn't strike me as something worthy of the 'defend the indefensible' intro you gave it.
If you're surprised that the headline on a Google ad is ambiguous then I'd wonder if you've ever used it before and I'm surprised they found anyone who was willing to admit they had been fooled by the ad. Anyone who sees the url "voteleavetakecontrol.org" and thinks that is a Government website is a moron.
Also, given it is a pro Brexit site, aren't they only hurting their own campaign if they are confusing visitors to the site into think they are now registered?
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I disagree. This is a strikingly low trick from Vote.Leave.
Have you any done any user interface design? The first rule of user interface design is "the user won't read it" and it's exactly this that Vote.Leave are relying on.
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But they'd be tricking out voters too so I really don't see what conspiracy you're trying to suggest here.
You've certainly changed your tune on TTIP since the leaks. Before the leaks you were happy to "wait to see the detail" and defend it (like here). Luckily people are much less trusting of the EU than you and exposed it for what it is, so you now have the benefit of seeing the truth.
Also see my response below.
There was resistance all over Europe (and in the US), including various marches in London. That would still happen if Cameron or any new PM tried to sign us up to a similar arrangement.
Just because he supported it doesn't mean he was doing the negotiating/dragging us in, it was being negotiated in secret (as usual) by the US and EU, not by Cameron. Other European leaders similarly supported it, like Merkel.
I stand by what I said - inside the EU we're a passenger to whatever trade deal they sign up to (or fail to sign up to, like in the case of Canada where the deal is being held up by a dispute about Romanian visas). Outside of the EU we negotiate our own trade deals that work in our best interests like the rest of the world.
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