I remember when Nigel Farage was ridiculed for saying 10's of thousands would come, turned out he was more than right
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I remember when Nigel Farage was ridiculed for saying 10's of thousands would come, turned out he was more than right
Caporegime
I've read that article and desperately hope that it's not true, but fear it is. If it turns out to be true it's an astounding betrayal of the British people.
The thing is, we're able to take tax benefits away from low paid workers without having to get approval from the EU, which means effectively that Britain has gone cap in hand to Brussels and got precisely sod all. This happens time and time again and I'm sick of the disrespectful way the EU treats this country
Taking Scorzas figure of 200,000 that would be 0.0068% of the eligible population...so Platypus hardly seems to be talking rubbish
No, he was ridiculed for bandying around the number of 29million eligible and that 'up to half' could come here wasn't it?
I've read that article and desperately hope that it's not true, but fear it is. If it turns out to be true it's an astounding betrayal of the British people.
The thing is, we're able to take tax benefits away from low paid workers without having to get approval from the EU, which means effectively that Britain has gone cap in hand to Brussels and got precisely sod all. This happens time and time again and I'm sick of the disrespectful way the EU treats this country
God you two love to wallow along in your own hyperbole
How is this an attack on the UK, one of the fundamental principles of the EU is that all citizens should be treated the same, that is all they are stating.
Now before you both go foaming at the mouth, I agree, if true it's a stupid solution to the proposal from Cameron, but it's not done from the angle of 'sticking it to the UK'
Caporegime
Reducing income inequality in the UK is more important to me than preserving the free movement of people in the EU. It's that simple.
Soldato
I know and you are entitled to that perfectly fair opinion. Just don't ascribe malicous intent to others motivations when it's not justified.
Shall we wait to find out if it's true first before getting all outraged?
Come on you know the deal by now. Post a credible source and we can discuss it.
You mean Farage said millions would come, and 22,000 did at the time?
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172,000 as of 2014 immigration figures. Quite a far cry from 75 million turks, or the 29 million Farage waffled on about.
So, who's talking rubbish? Thats right. You and the chap scaremongering about 75 million turks suddenly turning up.
Caporegime
Fact Check time: Farage said that 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians would have the right to live and work in the UK. He's correct, this is undeniable - it is a fundamental principle of the EU. At no point did he predict that 29 million would come - that's just spin by the established media to deflect from how many are here already and the effect that is having on society.
Farage is a very clever man, and his own spin is easily on the same level as the "media establishment" you're so against (which is ironic as thats how Farage has managed to succeed). He played the statistics very well, fear-mongering with a massive headline number that is never ever going to happen. Which, if you hadn't spotted it, was sort of my point. 75 million Turks will not come to the UK. So why even mention it? Simply because it's a huge number and its used to scare people.
Talking of spin, lets look at what the UKIP flyers were saying
I don't see any mention that the expected numbers are actually going to be in the 10's of thousands.
They know exactly what they are doing when they bandy the 29 million figure in the headline with no further details
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Exactly
Caporegime
"Will gain the right" - proves what I was saying. I wonder if the regressive left are simply being arrogant in assuming that British people won't understand what's being said, or so stupid that they don't understand the meaning behind these words themselves.
I imagine they wanted to stick to the facts and avoid making predictions because a) if they'd got it right and said an extra 100,000 migrants a year would come here they'd be accused of scare mongering, and b) if they'd got it wrong they'd be constantly reminded of it, as that oh-so-clever liberal academic who said just 13,000 Polish people would come to the UK once 38 million Poles gained the right to live and work in the UK has found out.
I know you have a massive blind faith for Farage, but if another politician had said something similar, you'd have been all over it like a rash for fearmongering; if it didn't suit your point of view. You really are the worst kind of hypocrite.
It's using a psychologically intimidating number to whip people into a frenzy, get them scared, and get them frothing at the mouth. Works, doesn't it?
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Soldato
It's a done deal. But you know PC people will come out with other utter trash to make them feel happy.
Cameron is a Muppet. Can't wait to get out of the EU.
I think most posts on GD every day show how people take the headline and run with it rather than delve deeper into the story for all the facts and critically analyse the intent of the message against the reality of the situation.
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Anyone watch question time last night my god some of the morons in that audience voting to remain was embarrassing.
One even said leaving the EU would stop all tourism.
Soldato
Cast Iron Dave has always been a Muppet. It's just that the alternative was worse. Both times.
Vote OUT! Vote often!
Oh wow I haven't watched it yet, can't wait for the blood pressure. I don't know why they bother with an audience, rarely do they present anything more than a paper thin headline skimming opinion.
Caporegime
It's the first line of your quote - it's literally in the headline.
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