The Fiat Nuova 500 - a few thoughts

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Right. Mum has had her new 500 for a few weeks now, and I managed to get hold of it long enough to take it on a variety of roads. The car is a 1.2 Pop - 69ish horsies @ 5500rpm, supposedly 99mph top speed. That last figure, I am happy to report, seems to be complete ********. At 70mph, there is still enough gearing to get you somewhere past 100mph. But top speed is fairly meaningless in a car like this. So, how it drives.

Rather nicely, in fact.

It rides....well, like a small car. Anything with that short a wheelbase is going to make a meal of large speed-bumps. It certainly doesn't even come close to my Olds (hell, they aren't even in the same universe). But it's not bad by any stretch. Handling wise - seems to communicate fine, but I didn't really get it right on the limit since it's my mother's car :)

Power - small car, small engine. Properly Italian. The engine spins like a top, and with peak power arriving at 5500 rpm it thrives on revs. Again, properly Italian. Not the most musical of creatures, but not many modern small four bangers are.

The interior is wonderful. It's stylish, it's comfortable. I won't comment on the plastics because I'm sure the Almighty Germans Of Ultimate Justice™ produce better....and even if they don't, owners of those cars will not be persuaded by me. The dashboard is great fun - the rev counter runs inside the speedometer rather than in completely separate dials, and it tempts you into chasing one needle with the other :)

Looks. Now, I know this is totally subjective....but I reckon this is the best looking small car on the market. It's certainly better looking IMO than the BINI. And the Micra. And the old Ka (soon to be replaced by a car based on the 500....). And the new Twingo. Gran's Citroen C1 is sat on the drive next to the 500 right now, and the 500 is definitely the looker of the pair. But I will add a caveat - colour and options make a lot of difference. Mum's 500 is Bossa Nova White, with chrome kit and body coloured mirrors. Same body colour without those two options doesn't look anywhere near as good. Also, chrome mirrors are available....but they don't look good on certain body colours, white being one of them. As for the sticker packages on offer - I wouldn't bother, but I know a lot of people who have and they seem pretty happy.

Other stuff:

1) Rear visibility is utterly appalling coming from the Seicento. Seriously. You get more rear visibility from a WW2 pillbox. That said - while the interior mirror is useless, and the rear screen is small, and the rear windows aren't easy to see through from the driver's seat, the wing mirrors are bloody enormous :) They definitely help make reversing the car out of tight spots easier, if it had mirrors of the size that the Seicento has then it'd be a tad more difficult.

2) The controls. Pedals are just like the Panda that it takes it's platform from. Not bad in the case of the brake and clutch, bit un-nerving with the throttle pedal going from a lot of cars. It's got a lot of travel, and feels very "springy".

3) Fuel economy is pretty good. Mum has averaged 47ish mpg so far according to the computer in the dash. Judging by the lack of fuel receipts in the envelope here, I'd have to say that it seems quite accurate.
 
Power - small car, small engine. Properly Italian. The engine spins like a top, and with peak power arriving at 5500 rpm it thrives on revs. Again, properly Italian.

you're joking right, mine peaks around 5500 and I find it frustratingly low down, given that the limiter is 6750 it is pathetic imo. Maybe I'm spoiled though having driven the peach that is the Honda B16a2.
 
you're joking right, mine peaks around 5500 and I find it frustratingly low down, given that the limiter is 6750 it is pathetic imo. Maybe I'm spoiled though having driven the peach that is the Honda B16a2.

The 500's gearing is short enough that the power not peaking until then doesn't annoy too much.
 
you're joking right, mine peaks around 5500 and I find it frustratingly low down, given that the limiter is 6750 it is pathetic imo. Maybe I'm spoiled though having driven the peach that is the Honda B16a2.

given that the 1242 in the 500 will limit at around 6200, max power at 5500 is fine - and if its anything like the older engines, it'll give you peak torque around 3250 as well.
 
JRS i think he's trying to say the opposite, peak power at 5.5k is pretty LOW for a petrol tbh! I have a Ford V6, not really that renowned for their revvyness and it peaks at just shy of 7k rpm!
 
JRS i think he's trying to say the opposite, peak power at 5.5k is pretty LOW for a petrol tbh! I have a Ford V6, not really that renowned for their revvyness and it peaks at just shy of 7k rpm!

Actually the Duratec V6's in 2.5L form are renown for lacking in torque and needing the have the knackers reved off them to extract any performance.

Also peak power at 5500 is perfectly normal for an engine in a fairly low state of tune.
 
Actually the Duratec V6's in 2.5L form are renown for lacking in torque and needing the have the knackers reved off them to extract any performance.

Also peak power at 5500 is perfectly normal for an engine in a fairly low state of tune.

how much torque does the averave 2.5l v6 have? Ive got just over 220Nm to play with, and a pretty much horizontal torque line from 1500 to 7000. Peak power at 7k = grins though :p
 
Does it have the annoying problem from the Panda, where you can feel the rotating motion of the steering column on your left foot when making a tight turn?

Big feet in small cars :(
 
Does it have the annoying problem from the Panda, where you can feel the rotating motion of the steering column on your left foot when making a tight turn?

Big feet in small cars :(

Sort of....the seating position is quite different to the Panda as you don't sit as high up, but depending on where your feet are on the pedals you'll still feel the steering column. It's definitely less of a problem than on the Panda , if you can really call it anything as dramatic as a "problem".

I'm pretty much used to it from having driven a Seicento for so long though, so maybe other folks are rather more disconcerted by it :)
 
Sort of....the seating position is quite different to the Panda as you don't sit as high up, but depending on where your feet are on the pedals you'll still feel the steering column. It's definitely less of a problem than on the Panda , if you can really call it anything as dramatic as a "problem".

I'm pretty much used to it from having driven a Seicento for so long though, so maybe other folks are rather more disconcerted by it :)

I had a Seicento for a while (black V reg Sporting, fun little thing if a bit agricultural compared to even the Panda) and never noticed it on that, but stepping into the Panda it bugged me a bit :). Would really like to have a go in a 500 at some point.
 
I had a Seicento for a while (black V reg Sporting, fun little thing if a bit agricultural compared to even the Panda)

I've got a Seicento SX, with the old 899cc pushrod slugger under the bonnet. Agricultural is one word to describe it, but at least I'll never have the problem of a cambelt going and wrecking the engine :)

and never noticed it on that, but stepping into the Panda it bugged me a bit :). Would really like to have a go in a 500 at some point.

You really should try a 500. The 1.2 is the best of the bunch IMO. The MultiJet works well in the Panda but doesn't fit the character of the 500. The 1.4 is pretty good, but the one I drove had the 6spd box - fine if they were the same ratios as the 5spd with 6th just being taller, but they insisted on making it close-ratio so you spend half your time swapping cogs. A turbo 1.4 is on the way for the Abarth this summer that should be a bit of a giggle.

Can't wait for the twin-pot turbo SGE series engines to arrive (current plan is Q4 this year I think). That should make for a seriously fun car.
 
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