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The folly of the modern world laid bare

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by ritcH, Apr 8, 2020.

  1. Angilion

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    It's a recognised condition, yes. But not in any way linked to electromagnetic fields. That is proven by the fact that the symptoms depend not on how much the sufferer is exposed to EM fields but on how much the sufferer believes they're exposed to EM fields. If they're told they're exposed and they believe it, they show symptoms. Even when they're not being exposed at all.

    Here, for example, is the WHO position:

    https://www.who.int/peh-emf/publications/facts/fs296/en/

    I'll quote the most relevant part so you don't have to read it:

    I think that the first one is being generous because it doesn't account for the studies in which the conditions were identical and the symptoms of EHS depended solely on what the sufferer believed regarding the presence of EM fields.

    Not only is there no evidence of causation between EM fields expsure and EHS symptoms and no possible explanation of how causation could occur, there isn't even correlation. It's not just that it isn't proven true. It's proven false.
     
  2. JRS

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    All good dude :)
     
  3. RxR

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    edited.
     
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  4. Malevolence

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    People are going stir crazy from the lockdown.
     
  5. The_Abyss

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    Why is this sort of thread even allowed to continue here?
     
  6. RxR

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    Good question.

    Edit. Will delete my above post, since to an erratic mind it could be misused to support some other wonk conspiracy.
     
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  7. Journey

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    Can anyone tell me what my thetan levels are after reading this, or did I mix up two different versions of something?
     
  8. Angilion

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    EDIT: Removed as a courtesy to RxR since it quoted a post they later removed.
     
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  9. RxR

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    Angilion, you are at risk of losing the plot with misimputation. I also deleted my above post, that you quoted, for the sound reason I have given. I would appreciate if you would do the same.
     
  10. Angilion

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    I haven't lost the plot. You're ignoring it.

    It's right there in bold. There isn't even correlation. You speculate about causation that explains the correlation, but you're ignoring the point that there isn't any correlation. You may as well speculate about what flavour of cheese the moon is made of.

    The reason you gave for deleting your post isn't that you thought it was wrong. It's because you're claiming "misimputation" from one tangential part of that post. I think there was no misinterpretation of the connection you explicitly stated, but I'll delete my post anyway.
     
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  11. efish

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    I am not up to speed on the detail but what you are describing is a 'biological effect' i.e burning sensation, nausea. Very long way from demonstrating it is the cause of illness.

    Sure you are aware of this and it would have been a good point to stress. Together with the observation that no solid scientific research has demonstrate a conclusive link between effect and ill health here so far.

    Given the levels of anxiety potential harm in our present pandemic state, caution and care are required.

    Evidence base here is contrary and deeply messy at the moment (which is normal in science). The good doctors claim that all that is required here is a book and critical reading skill is clearly far from the truth and demonstrates both a high degree of very poor judgment coupled with fervent and misplaced faith.
     
  12. dowie

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    :D:D:D:D
     
  13. efish

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    p.s. the wider point you made on dating was spot on. Do you have a background in history as well, you clearly have a talent for it?
     
  14. RxR

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    A critic of the facts I relayed in my above posts will serve themselves best by making a personal appeal to the proper authorities.

    To wit, firstly, the OEM of the equipment I referred to. I'm sure they will be amused to settle any claim that their equipment doesn't usefully work as described.

    Secondly, the researchers who were commissioned to investigate the biophysical mechanism by which the manufacturers equipment produced it's desirable effects. Physicists and biophysicists they were /are. Track them down and argue your favored point / theory of alternate mechanism of action.

    These are matters of industrial and scientific epistemology.
     
  15. efish

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    Not sure what you are talking about. Presently the thermal effect you are describing is the only recognized effect, which occurs above 6 ghz.

    This phenomena has been flagged for further investigation but as yet the evidence is contrary comes from a range of disciplines not simply one as you suggest ( e.g. electromagnetic waves are tested as a means to actually treat disease and stimulate the bodies own opioids/ with the potential to treat a range of serious health conditions; or so it is hoped by those studying the phenomena) and is so far beyond science as the research is not mature and will probable suffer from standard cat herding issue as more than one discipline is looking at the same thing in regard to the thermal effect.

    Why would anyone need to waste the time of physicist ,biophysicist or medical researchers with a statement of the obvious?

    They are very busy folks.
     
  16. dcsarge

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    :D
     
  17. Angilion

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    I'll serve myself by pointing out again that you're speculating a method of causation for something which is proven to not exist. Electromagnetic hypersensitivity syndrome has absolutely nothing to do with electromagnetic fields. Your speculation about how electromagnetic fields cause EHS can't be true because they don't cause it. Multiple double-blind trials established that.

    You're ignoring that. The weapon system you refer to is irrelevant to EHS unless you're arguing that it's being secretly deployed all over the world on random people for some unknown reason and nobody notices despite the fact that it's a large vehicle-mounted system and must have clear line of sight to the target in open air and doesn't have much range.

    He's referring to an unspecified weapon system, probably the USA's Active Denial System. Which operates at 95 GHz and with a power level orders of magnitude greater than ambient EM fields on Earth's surface. Or comms systems. And which is not the cause of EHS.
     
  18. Dave M

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    mast cells are a part of our immune system, which the OP considers to be fake news (exosomes) - is it a disease or intrinsic to our bodies?

    You can cook a chicken in front of an active radar too (it's tasty).

    That's TV frequency, not 5G, and lets not pretend this experiment at close proximity is at all relevant to a TV Mast. I've walked around Winter Hill, the biggest TV Mast in the north West of England - and I did not feel a thing.

    Bring or proof or apologise for scare mongering an anxious public at a difficult time. It's disgusting to be scaring vulnerable people during a global pandemic.
     
  19. Rroff

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    Not tried that one but I do notice something within ~50 feet or so of high voltage transmission lines (the big ones) - not sure quite how to describe the sensation though.

    (That is the 200-400K volt ones - don't notice it around the smaller ones).
     
  20. RxR

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    @Dave M - drop imputing nonsense to my post. I did no such scare mongering, or fact mangling.

    @Angilion, yes, I asked you to delete my post, but not for your guessed assumption.

    I asked you to do so simply because I am aware there are mentally unstable and sensitive folk who imagine some conspiracy or affront to their pacifism at any mention of the benefits of some types of advanced weaponry.

    But to the point. Your proposition is / was, I take it, that no symptoms associated with claims of Electro-magnetic Sensitivity are or can be produced by RF equipment.

    I alluded to the existence of industrial rf equipment which can produce the same symptoms (deliberately so) claimed by sufferers of EHS / EMS.

    Thus, I presented you with a publicly-known counterexample of such symptoms being provoked by R F exposure.

    Edit. And ftr, an old piece of (only partly) relevant industry news:

    https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/t-mobile-eyes-spectrum-above-95-ghz-for-5g-backhaul
     
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