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The Labour Party: Where do we go from here?

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by q974739, Nov 25, 2015.

  1. JeditOjanen

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    Seems reasonable, when you consider centrists.
     
  2. StriderX

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    You mean people who represent the actual majority? Anyway an ass is entirely useful.
     
  3. JeditOjanen

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    The "actual majority"? Then why are the Lib Dems polling at 7%?
     
  4. Terminal_Boy

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    Remind me what good came out of the last general strikes this country saw as I only remember uncollected rubbish rotting in the streets, doing my homework by candlight and it all being quite miserable for working class families.
     
  5. Dolph

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    Does that mean all Labour voters are antisemitic Brexiteers, and all tory voters evil bowler hat wearing capitalist Brexiteers?

    Or are we going to approach it like adults and acknowledge that voting for a party doesn't imply support for all that parties policies on single issues?
     
  6. 200sols

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    Because we live in a two party state where a vote for anybody else is wasted. So you vote for the best worst choice.
     
  7. Tony Edwards

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    Because going on their past history they are more likely to go into coalition with the Tories and end up telling us a hard no deal brexit is the best thing for the country. And then 5 years later will tell us it was the wrong decision after all and they didnt have a choice because the big boys made them do it..
     
  8. Bluntwrapped

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    If Labour aren’t prepared to be the voice of reason what is the point?

    Our parliamentary, constitution and legal system needs massive reform but if the public are too busy fighting it out amongst themselves to support it, what is the point?

    If our national security services and media actively work together to prevent meaningful social change again, what is the point.

    The unfortunate and depressing truth is when push comes to shove, the boundaries of all UK political parties are exactly the same. Capitalism rules beyond all else and if business interests are at stake public interest is forgotten or deliberately hamstrung.

    In this context the Tories are Tories, the Labour Party are Tories and the Lib Dem’s are Tories everything about our system is ******* tory.

    Until this is universally understood and agreed upon, nothing is going to change.
     
  9. StriderX

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    Jesus dolph really? your "extreme" form for Labour is obviously a worse comparison than "evil bowler hat capitalist" which to some might even be a neutral statement at worst, honestly calm down, eh.

    I hate both parties, but this is sad bias. Especially when an Israeli study say's anti-semitism is more prevalent on the right in the first place.
     
  10. Dolph

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    Party leaders will party lead. There has never been any comparable history of racism for May to what exists for corbyn.
     
  11. Dolph

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    There is a reason for that, capitalism combined with liberal democracy is the least worst system we've come up with. It's far from perfect, but it's better than all the alternatives that have been tried elsewhere.
     
  12. Faustus

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    Well as a Labour voter all my life I would advocate that no one votes Labour in the future. In fact a vote for the current 'momentum party' will pretty well ensure we don't have much of a future.

    I think if we could play god with time and bring past politicians to the present day I would vote for Maggie rather than Corbyn and I despised her.
     
  13. SPG

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    A wake up call, simple as that.
     
  14. Scania

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    The amount of ardent Labour voters who’ve expressed similar views to the above to me is surprising on the one hand but not on the other, bearing in mind I live in a staunch Labour city and my estate is equally staunch- especially given it’s a former mining community- as for past politicians I think the majority of a few decades ago would run rings around today’s rabble - of all sides - unfortunately though I doubt even a time machine is going to resolve Brexit!
     
  15. GAC

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    watching a bit of corbyn on the bbc website about brexit and yet again dodged various questions about what he wants and who exactly in the eu he's spoken to and what they may give but still comes out with this brilliant line "The EU is well known to be flexible", im sorry the guy is either outright lying or delusional beyond belief.

    on a personal note this "iv voted labour all my life" crap trap, iv said it before and il say it again anyone who states they have voted for A party one way or another for 20+ years need their lumps feeling especially with the rubbish thats been going on the past couple of decades, now if you have a great local MP who does stuff locally fair enough, but i fear too many life long voters just vote red or blue because thats what they got told by their parents many years ago and for some reason seem unable to actually think much beyond that.
     
  16. Rroff

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    It is a whole lot of nothing really, throwing in a bit of a subtle appeal to reason, bit of guru act without actually saying anything enlightening - designed for a certain audience to read into it what they want to hear him say without actually committing to anything of substance. Just stringing things along trying to get the pieces into place that enable his own agenda.
     
  17. Faustus

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    It's about party loyalty and voting where your heart lies. I quite happily voted for Mr Blair (when he was still leader) and for Mr Brown thereafter. I even voted for Michael Foot. My voting record goes back to the beginning of the 1970s and I was born and lived in the North of England for most of my life. Only a fool would vote for the Tories if you were brought up in that environment. Perhaps you are what's often called 'the floating voter'.
     
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  18. Faustus

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    His own agenda isn't and never has been Europe centric. He's been a Euro-sceptic ever since I can remember and the 'conversion on the road to Damascus' act should fool no one.
     
  19. RedvGreen

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    I've always voted Blue as they protected the Police (whom my family were).
    However, if a GE comes around any time soon, I will not vote for Conservatives. I reckon I would vote for Lib Dems in the current climate unless Labour come out with some convincing manifesto.
     
  20. GAC

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    i vote for the best local mp as lets be honest whoever ends up in parliament really dont give two hoots about us the voters for the most part. iv voted for labour and conservatives unfortunately thats the only options here lib dems haven't really done anything for the past decade here as far as i can tell be it general or local elections no sort of presence other than a name you'v never heard of on the ballot now and again.

    and yes im in the north also the local labour councillor who ran last time and will run next time i wouldnt vote for if you paid me as she's a complete waste of space and her record at the local council is shocking especially when it comes to being held accountable, she was involved in a homes renovation scheme thats now swallowed at least £5 million now and not one persons been held accountable for it and she refuses to answer any sort of questions about it as theres a police investigation ongoing which is some 3 years old now?! but yet labour still expect us to vote for her lol