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The Labour Party: Where do we go from here?

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by q974739, Nov 25, 2015.

  1. Dolph

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    You're either disassociated from reality if you think this is true, or just massively dishonest if you want to pretend otherwise.

    The current brexit policy shows how much control the party leadership has over the party position.
     
  2. Faustus

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    That statement is more laughable than standup.
     
  3. Scania

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    Labour - were it not for Corbyn - would be ahead in the polls by miles and quite probably imo won the last election, he's got too much baggage from his "past" support of various groups amongst many other issues.

    I live on a former mining estate, the guy is hated around here, I was astounded at the last election as to how many of my neighbours voted Conservative - for the first time - rather than vote for Corbyn.

    As for Miliband, wrong brother, not a chance in hell of Ed winning, but David could have but it seems hes got more sense than his brother and kept out of the **** storm that is current British politics, I can see him making a comeback in later years once the dust settles mind you.
     
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  4. VincentHanna

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    Ironic really

     
  5. Dolph

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    Only if you believe politics can trump economics...
     
  6. DarkHorizon472

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    Just pointing out you simultaneously complain labour have no policies and then complain about specific policies they have.
     
  7. DarkHorizon472

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    For decades it has been if not for leader x labour would be miles ahead in the polls and for other party leaders. Strangely the same does not apply to conservative party leaders.
     
  8. Scania

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    Exactly, you'd think they'd flock to him in droves, instead its the opposite.

    Its not his support of the miners they have an issue with, its his support elsewhere.
     
  9. Mr Jack

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    I can only assume you weren't paying attention when IDS and Hague were leader.
     
  10. Gigabit

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    Although if you look at the polling ceiling it would be nearly impossible for Labour to poll much above 43%.
     
  11. stockhausen

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    Yes, the problem with Labour is that they will not recognise that in 21st Century "I'm all right Jack" climate they need to be an Alternative Tory Party - they will insist on being a Socialist Party with a conscience.
     
  12. Scania

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    Pretty much spot on, Blair realised this and sucessfully ( to a point ) exploited it, and got 10 years in power as a result.
    Corbyn does not get it and as a result won't be in power, its as simple as that.
     
  13. Lartyconshayo

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    I think stockhausen was being sarcastic
     
  14. Scania

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    Quite, many a truth said in jest though. ;)
     
  15. Gigabit

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    To be quite honest I don't want to go back to the days of Blair. Labour betrayed many of its principles to get into office and many of the issues of today Labour could have tackled and it didn't.
     
  16. Dolph

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    How does someone with a conscience support multiple abusive regimes, including the ideology that has killed more of its own people than any other?
     
  17. Dolph

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    Blair's big problem was that he sold labour style spending with tory style taxes after his first term. That never works in the long term.
     
  18. FoxEye

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    Modern day Labour has a direction? I must have missed it.
     
  19. stockhausen

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    Actually I believe that Blair was Leader of the disingenuously named "New Labour", not Labour. However, his hijacking of the name did do enormous damage to the "Labour" Party.

    I believe that Blair said recently that he would not vote for the Labour Party in a General Election.

    It would be a damned good thing if Blair, Mandy and Campbell were to come out in favour of a Hard Brexit - that would pretty much guarantee that we remained in the EU.
     
  20. Dolph

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    Blair is no more of an intruder than corbyn is when it comes to the long term position of the Labour party.