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The Labour Party: Where do we go from here?

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by q974739, Nov 25, 2015.

  1. VincentHanna

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    Cue: Muslims aren't a race comments.
     
  2. Dolph

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    No Issue or objection from me. Well done to labour for adopting it, I hope all parties follow quickly.
     
  3. VincentHanna

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-parliaments-47653160

     
  4. jimjamuk

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  5. StriderX

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    What’s the point? The government just wants to dictate.
     
  6. Tony Edwards

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    Because the Tories have their deal that they wont change it because " it is the only deal" and the Tories dont really want to work with anyone else who doesnt agree with them, which has been shown by the last time she spoke to MPs of different parties and opinions.
     
  7. Fubsy

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    Because promising something you can't deliver is all the rage these days.
     
  8. jimjamuk

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    what a world we live in - the 2 worst party leaders ever at a time we just needed 1 decent one to make some sense of it all
     
  9. JeditOjanen

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    You're talking like he didn't even try. Corbyn has tried, and he has been rebuffed at every turn.

    BTW, remember that Brexit discussion he was criticised for walking out of because Chuka Umunna was there? Turns out it wasn't a discussion at all. We knew nothing of substance would be debated anyway because Chuka was there - as he isn't a party leader he doesn't have the security clearance to take part in high level discussions - but what really happened was that May had just called all the senior figures in to tell them how bad they were for blocking her deal.

    (Vince Cable also walked out, apparently, which is very droll as he's the one who spread the fake news that Corbyn blew off an important meeting. Lib Dems just can't stop supporting Tories, they're terrified of a left wing Labour government.)
     
  10. Faustus

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    It's more a case of May not wanting to reach out rather than the Tory party in its entirety.
     
  11. Faustus

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    Corbyn was never leader material which is a big part of Labour's problems.
     
  12. Rroff

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    On the other hand Vince just now did his best to burn TM... which isn't exactly supporting the Tories (unless it is a faction that is against TM).
     
  13. Tony Edwards

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    Yes I should have said May in this instance.
     
  14. JeditOjanen

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    May does not have the support of the Tories any more. The only reason she is still PM is because they cannot try to oust her until a year after the last attempt. She's absolutely alone now, she has burned every bridge. A sane person would resign, but she isn't sane.
     
  15. stockhausen

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    The ONLY reason that May is still PM is that just at the moment, NOBODY wants to be seen holding the timebomb.
     
  16. jimjamuk

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    Did anyone spot Mr C at the protests today? Given its part of the Labour Brexit policy...
     
  17. Dolph

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    No, he was in morecambe.

    There wasn't even a mention of it on labour's social media, just the suggestion that people should be out canvassing for local elections instead. ..
     
  18. easyrider

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    Even Corbyn is still behind in the opinion polls despite May being pm and making a hash of it...
     
  19. jimjamuk

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    He literally is the gift that keeps on giving
    (spoiler I'm not in the JC fan club)
     
  20. FoxEye

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    Who actually wants her job atm? And who would be able to fix the divisions in her party? Doubtful anyone could.

    Both the Tories and Labour should split and form parties that aren't utterly internally conflicted.