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The Labour Party: Where do we go from here?

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by q974739, Nov 25, 2015.

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  1. Tony Edwards

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    Sorry but I came across this post again while rereading stuff and just had to quote it. I couldnt remember how far to the right V F actualy is or if it was parady or not. But still it amused me at the time and again now.
     
  2. robgmun

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    It's all relative though, isn't it? From my perspective, you're pretty far-left and i cannot remember the last time i agreed with you on anything. I took the political compass test and it turns out i'm almost bang on in the centre and being only very slightly to the right of it, even the Libdems were more right of centre than i was!
     
  3. Tony Edwards

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    In what way am I far left? oh and.
    There have been others.
     
  4. Dolph

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    It isn't relative, that's the problem. Political positioning is a matter of objectivity based on policy.

    The reason it is so easy for people to both be genuinely confused and deliberately misled is this idea that everything is relative and every opinion carries equal weight, and it's nonsense.
     
  5. Tony Edwards

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    Im actually interested in what I have said that makes me far left? I mean I know in not centre left but Im fairly close and at the same time fairly comfortable with centre left.
     
  6. JeditOjanen

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    New Labour not least among them.

    "Far left" is a moveable position. Even Corbyn isn't especially far left - his policies are democratic socialist in the main - but he appears far left because the Overton window has shifted so far to the right and taken everyone else with it. The Lib Dems, for example, can only be called "centrist" because the Tories are so far to the right that they think Hitler was a pinko liberal.

    Corbyn is successfully pulling politics back to the left, though. It's been noted that Johnson's promises aimed at the upcoming election are closer to the 2017 Labour manifesto than the Conservative one. This is absolutely vital for British politics, as under New Labour we'd already reached the point where "being on the left" meant that you'd do exactly what the right wing were doing but you'd look sad when you did it. It's more important that he does this than that he becomes Prime Minister.
     
  7. V F

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    https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/33050742
     
  8. Tony Edwards

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    Aye.

    haha that so looks like a cheat score. :D
     
  9. dowie

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    :D
     
  10. Tony Edwards

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    Thats it is it? The party that robgmun says is to the right of him is your claim that Im far left?
    Note I didnt claim they were far right just to far to the right for me so over the centre mark.
     
  11. dowie

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    Yes "too far to the right for me", so the centrist/centre left party is not just to slightly to the right of you but "too far" to the right for you...
     
  12. robgmun

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  13. robgmun

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    I could scour posts but to be honest i have **** to do, i'll just wait a couple of days and i'm sure you'll say something extreme soon. It's your MO
     
  14. Tony Edwards

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    LoL :D

    Haha I cant wait. This would be funny.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...corbyn-resigns-general-election-a9153516.html
     
  15. JeditOjanen

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  16. Stretch

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    The legacy of JC's leadership will be that people such as Jess Philips (who I actually have a lot of time for as an MP) think they too can be leader of the Labour party
     
  17. Dolph

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  18. Dolph

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    I'm not sure highlighting the irrational sectarianism of the left is really a problem with Phillips.
     
  19. Murphy

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    It's both objective and relative.

    Although that's sort of unrelated to people being confused, misled, and believing all opinions are equal. That stems from our education and societal system IMO, thinking critically and questioning what your betters are telling you tends to be frowned upon.
     
  20. Dolph

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    Saying that Tony Blair is more left wing than David Cameron is a relative comparison, that's true.

    Saying that Corbyn is centre left isn't a relative though, it's an objective one, because the political centre is actually quite well defined in what it encompasses, and you are comparing his position with that scale.

    That some people either try to redefine the centre, or simply refuse to define the centre, doesn't add any validity to their argument, any more than arguing distance while refusing to acknowledge the existence of standard units of measurements makes an inaccurate statement valid.
     
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