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The Labour Party: Where do we go from here?

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by q974739, Nov 25, 2015.

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  1. a1ex2001

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    apparently labour will whip for a second referendum on super Saturday that is a serious change in position from the leadership if true.
     
  2. jimjamuk

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    But why do we need to have a researcher to have to go and have a look at what he's been up to given he's leader of the opposition and could be PM within weeks. The twitter feed (not run by him obviously) is just full of protests, retweets and dotted now an then some public outing to present some gender award to Eastenders as an example.......
     
  3. Steedie

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  4. robfosters

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    Jeremy, John and Diane. I think that’s about it.
     
  5. JeditOjanen

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    Louise Ellman is a Blairite and a senior member of every major Jewish group in Britain that has sought to conflate "anti-Zionist" with "anti-Semitic". Her opposition to Corbyn is related to two things only: him being left wing, and his opposition to Israeli genocide in Palestine.
     
  6. dowie

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    Not like you to downplay antisemitism... thing is you do have previous for just making up “conspiracies” here.
     
  7. Dolph

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    It is very like him to downplay antisemitism when it involves the labour party. Jedi doesn't have any actual consistent principles, but views everything first and foremost through a partisan lens. Whether he approves or disapproves of a policy or action is utterly dependent on who is proposing or doing it, and totally ignorant of the actual action itself.
     
  8. StriderX

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    Why can't these accusers just submit evidence already of antisemitism in the party if it's so bad? Recordings, minutes, video? Where is it? It would end the argument immediately.
     
  9. Dolph

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    The reason the party is being investigated by the equalities watchdog is primarily because of a failure to handle these things internally when presented with evidence...

    https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/inquiries-and-investigations/investigation-labour-party
     
  10. StriderX

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    Even so, there are people calling Labour out and aren't providing leaks about it, which i'd normally associate with a bad organisation. All it would take is proof, not someone's word and maybe Labour could actually move on.

    I'm not defending Corbyn or his Momentum weirdos here, but someone has to give up the gold and they aren't even trying. It's just he said/she said, i know there's previous instances, but i'm talking about current ongoing language, events, statements and what have you. It all just seems like a ploy to me, i mean... why aren't the likes of Tom Watson leaving, whats with this slow trickle, if it's so abundantly clear, then they would all leave immediately?
     
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  11. JeditOjanen

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    It's because it's BS and they know it. Obviously there are anti-Semites in the Labour Party and they need to be removed, but it's not as widespread as is being made out and it's certainly not institutional. In fact, independent studies have shown that Labour Party members are typically less anti-Semitic than both the Tories and the population as a whole.

    Many of the complaints that have been filed - chiefly through Margaret Hodge - have proven to not be anti-Semitic at all. The most common theme is criticising Israel, mostly for the occupation of Palestine, which the Likudniks want to see included in the official definition of anti-Semitism. This is ironic, because in the definition as it stands conflating Israel and Jews is itself anti-Semitic. Of the other complaints that were not acted upon, a lot were frivolous and more than a few were made against people who aren't actually members of the Party.
     
  12. dowie

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    Do you mean supporters? There is a big difference! Though given some of your previous claims re: antisemitism it won't be too surprising if you glossed over that.
     
  13. SPG

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    Openly criticize Israeli policy and Israel itself means your an anti Semite....yeah right.
     
  14. BowdonUK

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    I see the tolerant left are personally attacking their MP's who voted against the Letwin amendment.
     
  15. FortuitousFluke

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    Hiw personal are we talking? Any examples?
     
  16. StriderX

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    Well they deserve it, considering the likelihood that the deal will eviscerate workers rights after a few years. They're not being very good Labour MP's, and should probably resign if they keep voting against workers rights.

    Plus no one is tolerant now, so not sure why you think that has power.
     
  17. dowie

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    It's a nicer form of politics - they're just showing their fellow MP tough love

    I thought Labour were planning to win the next election - they won't get any different WA, the future relationship is still all to play for and thats were they'd need to implement whatever they'd want to implement...

    As for Letwin - totally not just throwing a spanner in the works for the sake of it, albeit sneakily....

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  18. StriderX

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    Ah the spanner of being able to legislate with enough time? Farcical excuse to attack him, he's happy to vote for it.
     
  19. dowie

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    He's hoping he won't need to.
     
  20. BowdonUK

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    They haven't done anything apart from vote against delaying the Brexit vote. What is the point in voting on a delay when there is no alternative? Letwins amendment is an old one thought up before BJ secured a deal. It assumed at the time that there wouldn't be an EU deal and was made to avoid us bouncing out with no deal. But today shows us that the opposition parties will constantly delay rather than have the guts to back the deal or not.

    As some political commentators are saying, the longer this goes on the easier the Tories are going to win the next election.
     
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