The Manchester United Club Thread **Sponsored by Comedy Central**

Amorim could win games just by playing a low block and hitting teams on the break. It’s pretty much what most of the team is used to playing yet it still got managers the sack. ETH realised the team couldn’t play an Ajax style so went to playing counterattacking football but when he got the players he wanted and worked with before, he couldn’t get the team to play how he wanted and got the sack. ETH played with a back four and played awful football and got called out by just about everyone saying he didn’t have a style of play.

Ineos decided to get in a manager who has a distinct style of play, if the team can’t play ETH ball in over 2 years despite a lot of the players being ex ETH players then what makes you think they can play Amorim ball in a few months, let alone years?
 
Are we really talking about Solksjær again?

If you look at his stats pre, during and post United, you can't draw a conclusion as to if he's a good manager or not.

United U21s 2.12pts per game
Molde 1.85
Cardiff 1.07
Molde 1.84
United (initial CTM role) 2.32
United (as FT manager) 1.79

His United managerial career, ignoring his initial caretaker manager role was very much in like with his stints at Molde...
 
ThestigGT999 said:
yh but we had Mcfred
/jk
Click to expand...
You joke but wasn't McSauce top scorer?

Rashford definitely was in one of the seasons. Glad he's gone though.

So where are the goals going to come from? We're seeing the answer now...

We definitely need new players. Let's hope the trusty recruitment team can do their job for once. No pressure...

They need to spend what, another £200mill in the summer? Even that would just buy some players for the starting 11?

Baby steps I suppose. Is top 10 the target for next season?
 
Last edited:
Bear said:
Amorim could win games just by playing a low block and hitting teams on the break. It’s pretty much what most of the team is used to playing yet it still got managers the sack. ETH realised the team couldn’t play an Ajax style so went to playing counterattacking football but when he got the players he wanted and worked with before, he couldn’t get the team to play how he wanted and got the sack. ETH played with a back four and played awful football and got called out by just about everyone saying he didn’t have a style of play.

Ineos decided to get in a manager who has a distinct style of play, if the team can’t play ETH ball in over 2 years despite a lot of the players being ex ETH players then what makes you think they can play Amorim ball in a few months, let alone years?
Click to expand...

So you're happy to go the rest of the season without winning many matches? I'm not sure what that achieves, especially when winning improves morale, stress levels, press attention etc
 
sigma said:
We definitely need new players. Let's hope the trusty recruitment team can do their job for once. No pressure...

They need to spend what, another £200mill in the summer? Even that would just buy some players for the starting 11?
Click to expand...
I actually find it quite disgusting that we, as fans casually band about transfer projections like this. Especially as it comes in a week where more poor souls will have lost their jobs at the club. It's utterly obscene that the only perceived route to improvement is by spending that sort of money - and that's before you consider the wages. Surely the remit for this new guy that has arrived has to be - find young, undiscovered talent a bit like Brighton do and augment it with some smart targeted recruitment of more experienced professionals. Man united need to knuckle down and cut their cloth accordingly. £200m should be at least half funded by outgoings and then should deliver 6-7 players who want to come and work their asses off.

btw, not in anyway having a go at you @sigma.
 
sigma said:
So you're happy to go the rest of the season without winning many matches? I'm not sure what that achieves, especially when winning improves morale, stress levels, press attention etc
Click to expand...

Amorim spoke about this when he first took over. He said he could play to win games by playing to the strengths of the team (low block and counter) and they would be in the same position next year, or they could make the change and hopefully be in a better place next year. ETH played to the strength of the team and then tried to play ETH ball and got fired, so based on that, the team can only play one way. If fans are happy playing turgid/boring football to get wins then fine but I was under the impression fans wanted to change to something more interesting. Change takes time, especially when players seemigly struggle to absorb such changes, so does that mean they should just bin the idea?

Personally as they are pretty safe from going down, then yes, I would be prepared to continue to lose if it meant the players are slowly getting drilled into Amorims style of play to prepare for next season.
 
Last edited:
Calpol said:
I actually find it quite disgusting that we, as fans casually band about transfer projections like this. Especially as it comes in a week where more poor souls will have lost their jobs at the club. It's utterly obscene that the only perceived route to improvement is by spending that sort of money - and that's before you consider the wages. Surely the remit for this new guy that has arrived has to be - find young, undiscovered talent a bit like Brighton do and augment it with some smart targeted recruitment of more experienced professionals. Man united need to knuckle down and cut their cloth accordingly. £200m should be at least half funded by outgoings and then should deliver 6-7 players who want to come and work their asses off.

btw, not in anyway having a go at you @sigma.
Click to expand...
It is disgusting but it is a disgusting business these days, the EPL especially, and United is the biggest sess pool within the EPL.

Which other industry else can you earn £350k a week and down tools so easily?
 
Bear said:
Amorim spoke about this when he first took over. He said he could play to win games by playing to the strengths of the team (low block and counter) and they would be in the same position next year, or they could make the change and hopefully be in a better place next year. ETH played to the strength of the team and then tried to play ETH ball and got fired, so based on that, the team can only play one way. If fans are happy playing turgid/boring football to get wins then fine but I was under the impression fans wanted to change to something more interesting. Change takes time, especially when players seemigly struggle to absorb such changes, so does that mean they should just bin the idea?

Personally as they are pretty safe from going down, then yes, I would be prepared to continue to lose if it meant the players are slowly getting drilled into Amorims style of play to prepare for next season.
Click to expand...

How long into next season do you give it? He's won 4 in 15. Will that be OK in the first 15 games next season?

I don't think he should bin his ideas but he should be willing to adjust, every good manger does.
 
Last edited:
adam cool dude said:
Why it finished 3rd two seasons ago, 8th last season and won two cups. It is a top 10 squad at the minimum. Not lingering above the relegation zone.
Click to expand...
we'll have to agree to disagree - while they should absolutely not be lingering above the relegation zone they most certainly aren't a top 6 team.
 
sigma said:
How long into next season do you give it? He's won 4 in 15. Will that be OK in the first 15 games next season?

I don't think he should bin his ideas but he should be willing to adjust, every good manger does.
Click to expand...

I would give him the season, unless it was so dire that it looked like relegation was a possibility.

He has adjusted, didnt he play a low block and counter by lobbing it over the top against teams like Liverpool and Man City etc. He even played a low block against Ipswich yesterday after going down to 10 men
 
sigma said:
How long into next season do you give it? He's won 4 in 15. Will that be OK in the first 15 games next season?

I don't think he should bin his ideas but he should be willing to adjust, every good manger does.
Click to expand...

What adjustments do you want to see? He is adjusting but how far should he go? Drop his favoured formation completely?

He wants to play with WBs and we don't really have any so he hasn't been playing in quite the same way he wants. We don't have a striker like Gyorkores so hes been trying different strikers. He likes to play with 2 10s but we don't have 2 10s fit that can play that system so he has been using other players there in a different way.

I seriously don't understand what changes people want that aren't a complete departure from his formation that he was expressly brought in to play.
 
fez said:
I seriously don't understand what changes people want that aren't a complete departure from his formation that he was expressly brought in to play.
Click to expand...

It is an amusing mentality.

"We need to give managers time. I'd be fine with being mid table for a season or two to sort things out. Can't carry on as we are"

*Club make changes to follow the above. Club loses a couple games

"This is terrible. We can't stand for it. Lets get rid"
 
Thekwango said:
we'll have to agree to disagree - while they should absolutely not be lingering above the relegation zone they most certainly aren't a top 6 team.
Click to expand...

We have a top 6 team if all the players are fit and on it. If Rashford was having a "give a ****" season. If Sancho had the maturity of an 18 year old instead of a 12 year old. If Mount/Shaw could stay fit. If Amad wasn't injured.

We have a good squad but its full of crocks and crooks and even at full strength is somewhat unbalanced. Top 6 isn't exactly rocket science in the PL these days.

We're currently having a god awful season and we are still only 11 points off top 6. People love to keep talking about United getting relegated (figure that one out) despite us being just as close to top 3 as we are to the bottom 3.
 
sigma said:
How long into next season do you give it? He's won 4 in 15. Will that be OK in the first 15 games next season?

I don't think he should bin his ideas but he should be willing to adjust, every good manger does.
Click to expand...

Fans are displaying classic change psychology of wanting to pivot in the moment of discomfort and turn away.

Amorim is very clear, he isn't here to pivot, he's here to perform real surgery rather than bandaging things and repeating the past 10 years. So it's a case of riding the discomfort and seeing how this plays out.

Personally, I don't think there's anything to lose in giving this space. It's been a fun 8 years since this side has had any real quality to be a fan of. What's another 1 as a spectator.

However there's a media mission to villainise INEOS at this point, so it'll be interesting how they hold through this, how long they're happy to hold that role in the hopes of turning saviour. Funnily Amorim is now holding that role on the football side of things.. he's becoming the villain in some media and fan lenses already. So they've got their lamb slowly cooking up already should they need it.

We really don't do well in discomfort!
 
Last edited:
fez said:
What adjustments do you want to see? He is adjusting but how far should he go? Drop his favoured formation completely?

He wants to play with WBs and we don't really have any so he hasn't been playing in quite the same way he wants. We don't have a striker like Gyorkores so hes been trying different strikers. He likes to play with 2 10s but we don't have 2 10s fit that can play that system so he has been using other players there in a different way.

I seriously don't understand what changes people want that aren't a complete departure from his formation that he was expressly brought in to play.
Click to expand...

I dunno, something clearly isn't working is it.
 
Martynt74 said:
It is an amusing mentality.

"We need to give managers time. I'd be fine with being mid table for a season or two to sort things out. Can't carry on as we are"

*Club make changes to follow the above. Club loses a couple games

"This is terrible. We can't stand for it. Lets get rid"
Click to expand...

You're mixing up the views of different people.

I haven't said to get rid but I can see them getting rid if he doesn't improve things next season. I've said he should perhaps try something different. It is a results business after all.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom