*** The Official Destiny Thread (now includes 2.0 and TTK) ***

Shamikebab said:
I can see it now, they add matchmaking, 5 randomers will be wandering around ignoring the oracles while the other guy rages. He then rages on the internet with a hundred others in similar situations and they have to make it simpler because People. Are. Stupid.
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Here I'll quote it for you as you seem to have missed it in your thorough reading of the thread.

It's not as simple as 'you do your thing, I'll do mine. It doesn't harm you' If they end up adding matchmaking then lowering the difficulty so every player who can't make friends can do it then it DOES harm people that want the challenge.

The game is fine the way it is, there is a range of content designed for everyone from the 1hr a week social player to the guys who want to grind out mats or attempt ultra hard raids. There is nothing you can get in the raid that you can't get elsewhere except raid gear, which is only needed for raids!
 
Also I play dota, dota is a bad comparison really. At it's most basic level Dota is a very simple game, kill the ancient = win. The game has complicated mechanics but they are not required to achieve this goal. Sure you can win solo queuing in dota with 4 strangers without mics, but can you execute a venge swap into arrow or any other skill combos that require perfect timing? No you can't. Currently the Vault of Glass raid requires this level of communication and knowledge of what you need to be doing.
 
Shamikebab said:
Here I'll quote it for you as you seem to have missed it in your thorough reading of the thread.

It's not as simple as 'you do your thing, I'll do mine. It doesn't harm you' If they end up adding matchmaking then lowering the difficulty so every player who can't make friends can do it then it DOES harm people that want the challenge.

The game is fine the way it is, there is a range of content designed for everyone from the 1hr a week social player to the guys who want to grind out mats or attempt ultra hard raids. There is nothing you can get in the raid that you can't get elsewhere except raid gear, which is only needed for raids!
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Why not just add lower level options on the raids? Make them available at a lower level (with lower rewards) and then everyone would be happy apart from the elitists who think raids should only be for those who devote an almost unhealthy amount of time to the game.

I don't mind the high level gear being locked away but Bungie saying 'Raids are the best part of the game' is pretty annoying for people who only get 1-2 hours/day (if we're lucky) because we're missing out gameplay elements not just shiny guns/armour.

I have no chance of convincing 5 of my 30-something mates to put in the time needed to get themselves levelled up high enough for a raid and then getting us all online at the same time with families, jobs, life etc getting in the way.
 
Shamikebab said:
The game is fine the way it is, there is a range of content designed for everyone from the 1hr a week social player to the guys who want to grind out mats or attempt ultra hard raids. There is nothing you can get in the raid that you can't get elsewhere except raid gear, which is only needed for raids!
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lol, you're having a laugh now, This game is Very content weak. Once you hit level 26+ you have the raid or pvp to keep you going, the rest is the same **** over and over.

They could easily lower the difficulty for match making and give the option of the harder challenge for those groups who want it, hell could even give them better drops or drops only accessed when played like that.. I honestly couldn't give a **** about the gear. It's the content I feel I'm missing out on.
 
Shamikebab said:
Here I'll quote it for you as you seem to have missed it in your thorough reading of the thread.

It's not as simple as 'you do your thing, I'll do mine. It doesn't harm you' If they end up adding matchmaking then lowering the difficulty so every player who can't make friends can do it then it DOES harm people that want the challenge.

The game is fine the way it is, there is a range of content designed for everyone from the 1hr a week social player to the guys who want to grind out mats or attempt ultra hard raids. There is nothing you can get in the raid that you can't get elsewhere except raid gear, which is only needed for raids!
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I had read that but I figured you were just speculating. I'm not sure why content needs to be dumbed down. Maybe it could have a system like "heroic" raids for your none pick up group folk. You are seeing it as such a negative thing and overlooking that fact that if the feature is implemented, it is done so because a big enough part of the games community actually wished for it.

What confuses me most is how you see the people with forum personas are by default better people to play with. That I don't understand. The chances of being stuck with some muppet aren't much different. You could easily befriend someone from a matchmaking game and play together in future.
 
ZG002 said:
lol, you're having a laugh now, This game is Very content weak. Once you hit level 26+ you have the raid or pvp to keep you going, the rest is the same **** over and over.

They could easily lower the difficulty for match making and give the option of the harder challenge for those groups who want it, hell could even give them better drops or drops only accessed when played like that.. I honestly couldn't give a **** about the gear. It's the content I feel I'm missing out on.
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Dota is just one map...whether you enjoy replaying the content is up to you. If you're not enjoying what is there then you clearly don't enjoy the game and should probably just go find another game that you like.

Sure they could lower the difficulty, maybe remove some of the stuff that requires communication....they're strikes. They are raids without the tough stuff. An extended mission with sub boss or two and a final boss. The only reason people are complaining is because they want to have everything handed to them. If they split raids in two and had an easier matchmaking one and a harder one that required parties....they'd be complaining that there is no matchmaking on the second one.

FinglisHobbit said:
You are seeing it as such a negative thing and overlooking that fact that if the feature is implemented, it is done so because a big enough part of the games community actually wished for it.
What confuses me most is how you see the people with forum personas are by default better people to play with. That I don't understand. The chances of being stuck with some muppet aren't much different. You could easily befriend someone from a matchmaking game and play together in future.
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Cut out the bit I've answered above. Frankly a group of people is generally stupid, they don't know what they want. I've seen people complaining that they didn't have a full set of legendaries in the first week. People want to rush through the available content as quickly as possible to reach max level....and then complain that there isn't enough 'end game' content. There are some very interesting Extra Credits episodes on this if you're interested.

For the second part it's simple. If I arrange to raid with 5 on here (I haven't but others have) then I can communicate with them before hand to know they have mics etc and even arrange roles/class arrangements beforehand. None of that is guaranteed or even possible in matchmaking.
 
Not sure if someone here added me on XBL, I'm Dr Pharmacology, was playing with my bro when TypeRich joined. GG on the weekly heroic; was trying to put my little bro through it, you joining was most welcomed.
 
Shamikebab said:
The only reason people are complaining is because they want to have everything handed to them.
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Nope, I am complaining because the "best" content is locked out by an artificial difficulty level.

There is no reason the raids couldn't be available/populated with level 20 enemies rather than requiring people to be at level 26+ before they can attempt them.

Bungie made a big deal of the game changing at level 20 but nothing aside from gear really opens up at that point and the gear is just another grind to slow your progress rather than actually changing the gameplay. You get strike playlists but that isn't actually new content anyway since it's just a randomised strike you've already done.

As I said before, I've enjoyed the game for the most part and Bungie seem committed to ongoing improvements but they definitely oversold the game and underplayed just how much grinding would be involved.
 
If they make all the content available immediately then people do it in a day/two days and start moaning that there is no content. Bungie (and anyone else making this type of game) literally can't win.

Why stop at level 20? Why not make the raid level 1, it's the best content after all why should anyone have to play anything else in the game?

This game barely requires any 'grinding' You don't need to collect thousands of materials for something. Even the exotic bounties are all fairly tame. Legendaries for the last few weeks have been literally handed to you by doing a quick bounty and mission. Beyond that you can even buy legendaries, no need to rely on RNG. Does Diablo let you do that? Absolutely not.
 
Shamikebab said:
If they make all the content available immediately then people do it in a day/two days and start moaning that there is no content. Bungie (and anyone else making this type of game) literally can't win.
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You're missing the point, no one is saying all content should be there immediately, it's the fact that the content that Bungie (and those able to access it) say is the best part is locked away beyond the access of all but those with crazy amounts of time.

Shamikebab said:
Why stop at level 20? Why not make the raid level 1, it's the best content after all why should anyone have to play anything else in the game?
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You're just being facetious there. Level 20 is achievable for pretty much anyone in a reasonable length of time, getting to level 26+ and organising 5 similarly levelled friends for hours at a time isn't achievable for all but a small percentage.

Shamikebab said:
This game barely requires any 'grinding' You don't need to collect thousands of materials for something. Even the exotic bounties are all fairly tame. Legendaries for the last few weeks have been literally handed to you by doing a quick bounty and mission. Beyond that you can even buy legendaries, no need to rely on RNG. Does Diablo let you do that? Absolutely not.
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A large proportion of the bounties require grinding such as getting 200 headshots or killing 2 enemies with a fusion rifle. You also need to do bounties multiple times since there aren't a huge variety. The same goes for getting the materials, especially the ascendant ones.

For me, grinding is doing the same thing again and again for no other reason than to farm items/experience/kills. Getting to "raid level" and/or doing the exotic bounties requires you to do this as well as being pushed into PvP even if you don't enjoy it.


Some people hate grinding, some don't mind it, some enjoy it (as I did for a while) but to claim the game doesn't require it to access the raids and get yourself to lvl 26+ is just plain wrong.

Even Bungie describe Strikes as "grindy" - http://www.bungie.net/7_Destiny-Dev-Notes/en/News/News?aid=12188 and you only have to watch how people are playing them (rushing through bypassing mobs and then cheesing bosses) to know people aren't enjoying the process they are just farming for upgrades/materials.
 
I'm starting to get bored now if I'm honest.

I'm level 27 and struggling to find a reason to log on.

I've only been on once this week and all I did was run around the same maps again looking for spinmetal to level armours up.

Don't like PvP and managed to get a DMG 300 legendary primary weapon dropped from a strike so don't need to save for a new one just yet really, everything else is legendary.

What can I do, other then try the raid?
 
Camalot said:
I'm starting to get bored now if I'm honest.

I'm level 27 and struggling to find a reason to log on.

I've only been on once this week and all I did was run around the same maps again looking for spinmetal to level armours up.

Don't like PvP and managed to get a DMG 300 legendary primary weapon dropped from a strike so don't need to save for a new one just yet really, everything else is legendary.

What can I do, other then try the raid?
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That's where I got to and I've just moved on to something else. I've definitely had my money's worth but you can only shoot so many enemies on the same maps before tedium sets in.

I think perhaps we all expected too much because Destiny was a game we hoped would justify XB1/PS4 purchases and aside from pretty graphics it hasn't really done that. Still a decent game and on the upside we're coming into silly season where there's more games released than you could keep up with :)
 
The problem with PUGs in attempting rhe raid in Destiny is that the mechanics of the raid itself are really obtuse and the battles them selves (for those you can't cheese) are extremely drawn and frustrating unless you are all microphoned up.

The VOG would be better broken down into 4 different raids with longer maps to get to the final boss, and with the mechanics of the battles them selves fined tuned.

As it stands it is too long and drawn out and technical for a PUG to do the whole thing from start to finish.
 
Camalot said:
I'm starting to get bored now if I'm honest.

I'm level 27 and struggling to find a reason to log on.

I've only been on once this week and all I did was run around the same maps again looking for spinmetal to level armours up.

Don't like PvP and managed to get a DMG 300 legendary primary weapon dropped from a strike so don't need to save for a new one just yet really, everything else is legendary.

What can I do, other then try the raid?
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Same here (although I do enjoy the Control PvP). Just need stupid amounts of resources to level up my armor and weapons, then will probably just be level 28.

Vanguard/Crucible weapons for sale are not better than the ones I have now, so really it's just grinding for strange coins in the hope that Xur has a decent weapon for sale at the weekend.

Haven't tried Vault of Glass yet, but I don't have 5 other people on at the same time to try that with, and probably don't have the time (in one session) to get through it all.

May wait and see what the DLC is like
 
Anyone game for finishing off the raid tonight before the reset? I've got the checkpoint for Atheon!

I'm open to suggestions around times, but I'm thinking around 7 PM / 8 PM to kick it off. I roughly know what I'm doing!

1 - UberGinge (27 Sunsinger Warlock)
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PS4!
 
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