*** The Official Destiny Thread (now includes 2.0 and TTK) ***

Stewy said:
Haven't played this game in a couple of months, got a level 30 and a 31, am I missing out on anything new / exciting? When's the next expansion out?
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"Q2" 2015 is all we know. Most predictions are sometime in May.

Nothing new apart from CE:HM which is basically NM but everything is level 33.
 
mid_gen said:
Nope. The RNG is run on the client console, that's how the guy with the modded console is able to 'predict' upcoming rolls. It's the product of a random number generator, these predictions (and statements Bungie have made) back that up.
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how is it random if he generate the number the game has supposedly not generated yet for next week ?

He is able to "predict" because its all there pre determined in the code. He's even got the release date of House of Wolves and the date of the next iron banner. Its all in there already !
 
Fr0dders said:
how is it random if he generate the number the game has supposedly not generated yet for next week ?
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Computer random number generators produce random (enough) numbers, but are deterministic. Start a RNG with the same seed, and you will get the same 'random' numbers come out every time.

DeeJ said "we can see what he will bring, but not change it"....this fits exactly with a RNG based algorithm selecting these things, rather than it being predetermined. It also explains why this megaman dude can 'predict' what will roll, because the algorithm is on the client.

Could they be applying weighting to the drop table? Quite possibly....but that this dude can predict what will roll doesn't mean it *isn't* random.

If the roll was completely static and predetermined, you would expect the client to just pick it up from the server on login....in which case he couldn't predict it.
 
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mid_gen said:
Computer random number generators produce random (enough) numbers, but are deterministic. Start a RNG with the same seed, and you will get the same 'random' numbers come out every time.

DeeJ said "we can see what he will bring, but not change it"....this fits exactly with a RNG based algorithm selecting these things, rather than it being predetermined. It also explains why this megaman dude can 'predict' what will roll, because the algorithm is on the client.

Could they be applying weighting to the drop table? Quite possibly....but that this dude can predict what will roll doesn't mean it *isn't* random.

If the roll was completely static and predetermined, you would expect the client to just pick it up from the server on login....in which case he couldn't predict it.
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You're twisting my words

Its not as random as they would have us believe. Its completely BS to say they can't change it, because we've got evidence they are tampering with the results of that algorithm and selectively following it when they want and inserting DLC items into xurs inventory over other items.

Do they sit down and write a list for what xur will sell every week ? Nope

Are they completely powerless to stop Xur continually selling no land beyond ? Nope.
 
There's no evidence that they are tampering with the results of the algorithm....there is statistical evidence of a general weighting towards DLC content mind, but not manipulation of individual results.

If the actual Xur/NF/WH roll was just slightly different from megaman's prediction....then yep, evidence they are tampering with it. As it is....nope.
 
Got my 4th Truth (VOG Gorgon Maze CP) and 3rd Hawkmoon (NF) still no jellyhorn.

Got 2 x atheon and 2 x crota still to do so another 6 potential chances at it for this week left.

but i'm seeing a lot more exotics drop lately, i think i got around 6 last week from a potential 10 drops. 2 from 4 so far this week.
 
mid_gen said:
There's no evidence that they are tampering with the results of the algorithm....there is statistical evidence of a general weighting towards DLC content mind, but not manipulation of individual results.

If the actual Xur/NF/WH roll was just slightly different from megaman's prediction....then yep, evidence they are tampering with it. As it is....nope.
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give over. take your blinkers off. Xur is selling DLC items when the algorithm you hold as being definitive and absolute says he should be selling vanilla items.
 
I'm always amused by people who think "random" means "a perfectly even spread of results".

In other news, the destiny server downtime was extended until 9pm. I am dischuffed.
 
mid_gen said:
Where does anything say this?

I thought we were getting exactly what was predicted...i.e. what the RNG algorithm spits out...:confused:
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Its all over reddit.

A guy in Japan has hacked the game files and everything is pre laid out in the code already. What all the next nightfalls are, what the burns are, when house of wolves will drop, when the next Iron banner will be, what Iron banner items he will sell, what the new House Of Wolves crucible and vanguard armour will look like, that the next raid is the reef raid and will have light switch on it.

Its all in there. Some have scoffed, but everything he has predicted so far has come true. The nightfall for next week cannot possibly based upon a number randomly generated next week, if the outcome of that random number generation is already pre determined. Its not random if you already know what the result will be ahead of the event.

For that to have happened the numbers for each week must have already been pre determined, written into code and patched out. But if the results of the number generation are being written into code, then bungie is perfectly capable of editing those results prior to sending out the results of that random number genration prior to patching. Thats why when you look into the future you can see that Xur is due never to sell Gjallarhorn. Any time the formula calculated he was due to sell it, they just change the number to something else. Bingo! never sells gjallarhorn.

Bungie has more control over the "random" number generation than they care to admit. They can change it, it would just be impractical for them since it would require a patch to do so. So its easier to tel the masses you can't control it, rather than argue about the minor details of "well when I say we can't control it, I mean we can't controll it once the patch has gone out with his planned items in it. To change that we'd have to write a patch and get it tested and release it etc.."

This is all very well and good, we understand somebody at Bungie HQ is not capable of flicking a switch and making Xur sell no Land beyond next week. But the idea they have no control is simply false. But the game files have shown that the formula had calculated he was due to sell hard light last week, but instead he sold no land beyond. So this proves they are capable of overwriting the pre determined outcome to push DLC items up the agenda. Somebody made a conscious decision for Xur to sell no land beyond instead of Hard Light. The guy has stated that the only time the formula has been wrong so far has been when he sold a DLC item instead. His predictions for the curious have been 100 % accurate so far, he even predicted Xur would sell heavy ammo last weekend.

Co-incidence ? come off it.
 
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The nightfall for next week cannot possibly based upon a number randomly generated next week, if the outcome of that random number generation is already pre determined. Its not random if you already know what the result will be ahead of the event.
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As I said, you need to read up on how random number generators work. The numbers they generate are both random, and 100% predictable. It may be difficult to grasp but it does make sense when you understand it.
 
mid_gen said:
As I said, you need to read up on how random number generators work. The numbers they generate are both random, and 100% predictable. It may be difficult to grasp but it does make sense when you understand it.
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You're very good at missing points and replying with something irrelevant that trys to show how much 'knowledge' you have on the subject. I didnt know you wrote destinys code! Good job man, really great stuff. And all this RNG is easy to predict stuff... whats xur selling in two weeks time? I mean, for someone so knowledgable who says its so easy, should be a piece of cake for you right? :rolleyes:

You asked him where it says we're getting different items to those predicted, he told you and rather than acknowledge it you've picked out a small section and told him he needs to read up on how RNG works?

Sorry dude but its getting pretty obvious that you only have the tiniest idea of what you're on about and telling other people they dont know anything isnt really a good enough reply any more.

Destiny have altered the code to sell different items, as said by someone who's been right about everything so far. Gonna believe him over some randomer on OCUK who's never posted anything from the game files, despite saying its all so easy.
 
I didn't get further than that part, as it was late. I base my views on evidence, and it continually irks me that people who don't understand RNGs keep making inferences based on a misunderstanding that they can't be both random and deterministic.

Anyway, if I read the rest of it right, he's saying that the guy is not 100% correct....and as I said earlier, if that is the case, then yep, the evidence says they are manipulating the results.
 
Anyone else noticed that Hard mode VoG has got more difficult? - moe splash damage from atheon, more bugs on oracles, even with regulars its taking a lot more time than it used to!!
 
Heh, I tried to do the nightfall solo last night, I couldn't even damage the first set of mobs lol and was very quickly squished. Is the nightfall the only way to get strange coins? Or am I completely at the mercy of random drops to get better gear? I also used a lfg website to team up, made it very clear on my gear and noobness, grouped up ok but about 5 minutes into the group some guy asks why the **** I'm in the group with the gear I have, before I can even reply on voice comms I'm kicked :(
 
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