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*** The Official OCUK Cinebench R20 benchmark Thread ***

TNA said:
I don’t know really. Don’t mind it the way it is. But let’s see what others say.
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I'm keeping the main MT and ST tables as they are, tho i would probably remove the HEDT chips and put them in a HEDT table.

The highest Intel none HEDT is already rank #30, everything else is 3900X and HEDT. Think what will happen when the 3950X arrives, Intel's 10 core will not worry the 3900X, the slowest of which scores 7151, the fastest 9900K scores 5784, add 20% cores to that you get 6940. The 3950X will score around 10.5K, about the same as a 4.7Ghz 10980XE given they are the same Skylake-X as the 7980XE, it only takes another 20 3900X or 3950X (which will come) to push Intel out of the main table completely.

Same goes for the 6 and 8 core Ryzen chips, if people already know they have no chance of getting on the table why would they even bother? and it does just become a Ryzen 3900X / 3950X benchmark thread. And then there's the 24 and 32 core Threadripper 3 monsters, Robfosters is right they really shouldn't be in the main table.

So my thinking is to create more tables where people can compete with their core count and HEDT peers. But keep the main table, without HEDT.

Edit: 8 + 2 is 25% not 20%, point still stands Intel 10 core at its best can only really nibble at the bottom run 3900X's.
 
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Added HEDT top 20, if you can't get in the top 20 sorry there is no score board for you, its getting too cultured :)

Removed all HEDT out of Mainstream, removed server out of mainstream and made a server 1-5 board.
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TR3 are monsters!

Updated, please check for mistakes, thank you :)
 
FloppyPoppy said:
Not having a go but i disagree with not letting people on the score board if they can't make it into a certain score range. The great thing with big benchmark threads like this is the compiled information gives a diverse range of hardware and gives a realistic view on what they can do. You are now going to stop that from being the case and only allow the top of the top end hardware to be showcased.
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Fine, i'll make a HEDT 20+ board when its called for :)
 
FloppyPoppy said:
Intel can't respond to this. They proved that by having to cut their prices in half to try and keep some market share.

IMHO what Intel should be doing is "going dark" and by that i don't mean vanishing from the face of the earth but rather not doing much publicly outside of essentials such as maintaining a good customer service team and a social media presence for any questions that arise there. Outside of that they should keep their heads down and get to work for the next few years to try and come up with something. We all know they can do it and have the money to do it but they need to stop doing this disastrous damage control, accept the loss and get on with it.

Maybe they should even skip a launch year or two because all i see them doing is re launching the same chips again that will just further annoy their loyal customers.

i would absolutely love to see IBM come into the mainstream cpu game. That would be ace...


also @amigafan2003 i am curious; what do you do with your system that requires such a beast of a cpu? And was their a reason outside of the eye watering cost that you decided not to go with the 32core?
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Wait until the 48c 96t 3980X and 64c 128t 3990WX land, those things are going to tear a hole in the fabric of space and time.
 
TNA said:
I have no issue with the changes personally. I am still in the top 10 for single threaded scores with my little beasty Ryzen 3600 :D
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And you've moved up the MT table, i'm chuffed to bits with my little 3600, great little chip... interesting that we are talking affectionately about out 12 thread CPU's as "little" Its quicker than a 7800K and that's not an old chip.

Anyway, i had to change it, a 2700X could trade blows with most HEDT but Zen 2 and TR3 changed everything.
 
Radox-0 said:
I am not talking about right now. Intel have more then enough money in the bank to get back into the game and no doubt have quality engineers at their disposal to come up with a solution eventually.
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Intel already have an architecture with 18% higher IPC than Coffeelake, trouble is its quite a large die, relatively, its on 10nm for mobile, rumours are it will eventually end up on 14nm but limited to 8 cores.

The trouble Intel have is Zen 2 its self is already 12% higher IPC than Coffeelake and Zen 3 'due in about 8 months' is an entirely new architecture "with the expected IPC gains that this brings" one of AMD's chief architects words.

AMD themselves are not standing still.
 
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-zen-3-new-architecture-tick-tock

AMD says the Zen 3 core will be “an entirely new architecture.” That’s according to AMD’s Forest Norrod who’s been telling The Street that Zen 2 “was more of an evolution of the Zen microarchitecture that powers first-gen EPYC CPUs – Zen 3 will be based on a completely new architecture.”
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where Norrod suggests that in terms of IPC alone Zen 3 will deliver performance gains over Zen 2 “right in line with what you would expect from an entirely new architecture.”
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Radox-0 said:
Of course AMD are not standing still. However just like AMD pulled this out the bag, I have no doubt that Intel is more then capable once they put their mind to it and resources capable of also producing an awesome product, while not in the near term, most definitely in the medium - longer term. If not and they totally fail and collapse well people can say they told me so :)

But this is a benchmark thread so I will no longer go off topic. As per my inital comment, these new AMD CPU's are great and invigorated the market which is only a good thing IMO and hopefully the competitors response eventually goes in the right direction.
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Meh... its my thread. :D If someone posts a score i'll put it on the board, other than that the replies to this thread server no purpose.

Intel will not fail, they are too big to fail, they can buy their way out of this predicament even if it lasts for years, they already are doing that with cash backs and upgrade buy backs, in the server space they are ponzi scheming, selling CPU's at full price to make the books look good with huge cash backs and buy back later on to entice customers to stick with Intel.

The only problem with that is keeping that up for long enough, the hope its long enough to keep AMD from growing too much because if AMD can stick it out for long enough and still be strong the ponzi scheme will eventually turn around and bite them hard because that cashback and buy back debt eventually catches you up if you cannot shut your competition down.

AMD have to stick it out until that debt starts to show on Intel's books.

The thing is AMD stated from nothing, they are gaining what is still relative to them a huge market share and revenue, because of what they can do with so little AMD have a good chance of riding it out, but Intel will never go, AMD tho can and IMO will chip enough off the old block for themselves.
 
Radox-0 said:
Do you believe Intel will be diminished to the point they are unable to come up with a response at all? My own position is Intel will lose market share to AMD as they rightly should with the latter having a very competitive product. However Intel as you also mention are too big to fail. Intel with their resources and capability will be able to come up with a response if not in the near term, definitely the medium - longer term. Fact of the matter is Intel is a Goliath at this point and while AMD will most definitely chip away at the market, personally I do not see Intel going into the ether anytime soon, even with their incentives on their sales to server customers needing to be written off. Do you actually know the financial impact of Intel's upgrade and buy back scheme? I still fully expect while margins will be diminished, they will still be churning a profit in this segment.

To be frank, I think my initial comment has been totally extrapolated the wrong way making me sound like I cannot wait to see how Intel immediately responds and when they will somehow AMD will be left trailing again. No, to clear up my comment (although its quiet simple)

  1. Thanks for keeping thread updated
  2. AMD's CPU's are great in terms of IPC and amazing comeback
  3. Can't wait to see what Intel do in response (if ) no mention of timeframe or how Intel will suffer in the meantime, it was a simple comment to keep things light.
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No no no... i didn't think you wanted to see AMD in anyway redeminshed or anything like that, that's not what i read in your comment :)

Only a fool would think that Intel can't get back to a competitive performance stance with AMD again, i think what i am saying is the near future is AMD's, the medium and probably long term IMO is going to be a blow for blow fight between them.

I don't think it will go back to Bulldozer vs Haswell, Intel do have all the money but that alone does not buy you a crushing leadership, i have alluded to it before, i think AMD can do more with much less than Intel, they are a talented innovative company, AMD have a long history of coming from nowhere with game changing technology, focusing on that history personally i rate AMD higher as a semiconductor designer than Intel, significantly higher.

I still think Intel will be by far the largest, but diminished, Intel are not going to hold on to their process leadership, they have lost that and i don't see them regaining it, Intel's overheads are massive compared with AMD and with that what they won't be able to do moving forward is charge almost whatever they like for their products because AMD will be right there undercutting them and occupying a small patch of Intel's back yard, so yes. I think Intel's revenue longer term will be lower than it has been historically, AMD's higher.
 
Radox-0 said:
Ahh right, then yeah sounds like we don't disagree then aside from possible timescales though not sure what you consider medium term and long term compared to what I do. I expect Intel will not be as competitive for 3-4 years. after that I imagine they will have some competitive products start coming online and overcome their foundry capacity issues and die size problems, likely sooner on the two latter issues.
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Agreed :)

kitfit1 said:
Intel are big and have huge cash reserves, but they are not the biggest company in the world by some considerable margin. But they have made the same mistakes as what absolutely was the biggest company in the world for a lot longer than Intel have existed, namely Kodak. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodak).
The beggining of the end for Kodak was a small Japanese company called Fuji.........................the rest is history. Just like Kodak, Intel has spent years bribing and overcharging for a product and IMO will end up much the same as Kodak is now a bit part player in a market that has overtaken them.
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Or Nokia, a huge company that got very comfortable, by the time they realised they were falling behind in technology leadership it was too late.

That won't happen to Intel but they have been too comfortable and slow to react.
 
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