The Police are racist

VIRII · 25 Sep 2006 at 16:27

[DOD]Asprilla said:
I guess this is where we came in.

I've been arguing why and if you want to re-read my posts you can do. I'd like to know why you think it's a bad idea.

Because discrimination is wrong. Someones skin colour is irrelevent, or should be, particularly in the police force. We shouldn't even be discussing the skin colour of our police because it should be such a non issue. Suggesting that ethnic mix is important only serves to increase division and make skin colour an issue, which of course it should not be.

[DOD]Asprilla · 25 Sep 2006 at 16:38

VIRII said:
Because discrimination is wrong. Someones skin colour is irrelevent, or should be, particularly in the police force. We shouldn't even be discussing the skin colour of our police because it should be such a non issue. Suggesting that ethnic mix is important only serves to increase division and make skin colour an issue, which of course it should not be.

Wide divisions exist already because of the actions of police forces. Many British police forces were almost institutionally racist thoughout the 50s, 60s 70s, 80 and early 90s. Isn't it the responsibility of the force to resolve the damage it's done and improve relations through greater interaction with the minorities rather then just ignoring them now they are no longer targets?

How are we supposed to show those groups who suffered that racism that this isn't the case if we don't encourage them to be included in the force?

Would you like the job of telling them that racism is no-longer endemic in the police force and so it's all ok now?

And one again I'm not advocating racisim; making ethnic officers a priority over white offers (because that is racism) but I am saying that we need to encourage more diversity. Please attempt to recognise the difference.

Arcade Fire · 25 Sep 2006 at 16:40

This thread reminds me why I didn't bother coming here for siz weeks.

Von Smallhausen · 25 Sep 2006 at 16:42

Arcade Fire said:
This thread reminds me why I didn't bother coming here for siz weeks.

Your spelling of six weeks is incorrect.

VIRII · 25 Sep 2006 at 16:46

[DOD]Asprilla said:
Wide divisions exist already because of the actions of police forces. Many British police forces were almost institutionally racist thoughout the 50s, 60s 70s, 80 and early 90s. Isn't it the responsibility of the force to resolve the damage it's done and improve relations through greater interaction with the minorities rather then just ignoring them now they are no longer targets?

How are we supposed to show those groups who suffered that racism that this isn't the case if we don't encourage them to be included in the force?

Would you like the job of telling them that racism is no-longer endemic in the police force and so it's all ok now?

And one again I'm not advocating racisim; making ethnic officers a priority over white offers (because that is racism) but I am saying that we need to encourage more diversity. Please attempt to recognise the difference.

In other words the police have already sorted their issues out but the minorities haven't and hang on to their prejudices?
And the best way to show them that skin colour is a non issue with the police is to target people by skin colour and say "you're black join us"?
Doesn't really compute does it.

Arcade Fire · 25 Sep 2006 at 16:46

Von Smallhausen said:
Your spelling of six weeks is incorrect.

You're a ****

Visage · 25 Sep 2006 at 16:47

Arcade Fire said:
This thread reminds me why I didn't bother coming here for siz weeks.

You could make it 6 years and you could come back and not notice a difference.

VIRII · 25 Sep 2006 at 16:47

Visage said:
You could make it 6 years and you could come back and not notice a difference.

Please try it

VIRII · 25 Sep 2006 at 16:47

Arcade Fire said:
This thread reminds me why I didn't bother coming here for siz weeks.

Your post reminds me why no-one noticed that you had gone.

[DOD]Asprilla · 25 Sep 2006 at 16:54

VIRII said:
In other words the police have already sorted their issues out but the minorities haven't and hang on to their prejudices?
And the best way to show them that skin colour is a non issue with the police is to target people by skin colour and say "you're black join us"?
Doesn't really compute does it.

Can I borrow your magic wand with which you make everything alright? You can't just say to people "It's fine now, our police are no longer racist" and expect it all to be fine and everyone to be happy. If you really believe that that it's, well, really weird.

If Robert Mugabe said 'Come back white farmers, I've realised the error of my ways and I'd like you all come back to your old lands and grow crops again" how many do you think would jump at the chance to go back? None of the Zimbabweans I know, that's for sure. They wouldn't feel safe without changes to the make-up of the Zimbabwean government & armed forces.

As for the 'you're black, join us' comment, dont you think that's about as subtle as setting a target?

Supercow · 25 Sep 2006 at 17:21

cleanbluesky said:
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This isn't 'PC gone mad', this is racism. Pure and simple.

Feels like im back in South Africa again :rolleyes:

Being turned down for jobs, because your white is not a nice feeling.

VIRII · 25 Sep 2006 at 17:56

[DOD]Asprilla said:
Can I borrow your magic wand with which you make everything alright? You can't just say to people "It's fine now, our police are no longer racist" and expect it all to be fine and everyone to be happy. If you really believe that that it's, well, really weird.

I haven't suggested that doing anything other than employing the best candidates for the job irrespective of skin colour will fix anything.
I don't see how discriminating helps anyone either way.

[DOD]Asprilla said:
If Robert Mugabe said 'Come back white farmers, I've realised the error of my ways and I'd like you all come back to your old lands and grow crops again" how many do you think would jump at the chance to go back? None of the Zimbabweans I know, that's for sure. They wouldn't feel safe without changes to the make-up of the Zimbabwean government & armed forces.

Are you comparing kiling white farmers with a less than perfect police force in the UK? Don't you think that there is a world of difference between them?

[DOD]Asprilla said:
As for the 'you're black, join us' comment, dont you think that's about as subtle as setting a target?

It is what you are suggesting is it not?

Spie · 25 Sep 2006 at 19:38

Von Smallhausen said:
Granted I have just got out of bed after a banzai nightshift so my head isn't really in gear, but that doesn't make sense to me ?

Corrected

Spie said:
The race of a Police officer is irrelevant. Any other stance on police officers race is racist.

BigBadBenny · 25 Sep 2006 at 20:17

gurdas said:
Kind of the opposite of what was happening when my grandad first came to this country, it's not nice is it?

No it is not. As the saying goes... two wrong's, doesnt makes it right.

[DOD]Asprilla · 26 Sep 2006 at 09:24

VIRII said:
I haven't suggested that doing anything other than employing the best candidates for the job irrespective of skin colour will fix anything.
I don't see how discriminating helps anyone either way.

Are you comparing kiling white farmers with a less than perfect police force in the UK? Don't you think that there is a world of difference between them?

It is what you are suggesting is it not?

Ok, where were we?

Right. I have not, at any point suggested discriminiating against any officers for any reason. All I've said is that....Jesus, actually, why do I bother because you seem quite content to have your own little rant without even reading my posts correctly or putting forward a counter-argument.

My Zimbabwe analagy was because you seem to think that it is the fault of ethnic minorities that they don't trust the police after 50 years of racism in the force. You don't feel that the force should in some way address that lack of trust since it was responsible for creating it?

VIRII · 26 Sep 2006 at 09:28

[DOD]Asprilla said:
You don't feel that the force should in some way address that lack of trust since it was responsible for creating it?

How should they address it exactly?
How does highlighting race issues improve race relations?
The police do not accept racism within the force, they have done all that they can do.
If the minorities have issues with the police then they are the ones who need to sort themselves out.

[DOD]Asprilla · 26 Sep 2006 at 09:37

VIRII said:
they have done all that they can do.

My feelings, as I've stated several times in this thread, is that the police should, and do, make the effort to develop closer relationships with ethnic minorites in order to build their trust. This will aid the police in the prevention and detection of crime, so how can it be the wrong course of action?

One way this can be helped is by having a more ethnically diverse force.

VIRII · 26 Sep 2006 at 09:39

[DOD]Asprilla said:
My feelings, as I've stated several times in this thread, is that the police should, and do, make the effort to develop closer relationships with ethnic minorites in order to build their trust. This will aid the police in the prevention and detection of crime, so how can it be the wrong course of action?

One way this can be helped is by having a more ethnically diverse force.

So how will they develop closer relationships exactly?

How do we "have" a more ethnically diverse force? Are we going to make blacks sign up at gun point or something?

cleanbluesky · 26 Sep 2006 at 09:40

[DOD]Asprilla said:
50 years of racism in the force.

Again, exactly where is the proof of this? I am sure it serves many to treat it as fact, but the same people are served by not examining the reality of this

Visage · 26 Sep 2006 at 09:44

cleanbluesky said:
Again, exactly where is the proof of this? I am sure it serves many to treat it as fact, but the same people are served by not examining the reality of this

Well the sus laws caused race riots 26 years ago, so its at least as far back as that....

The Police are racist

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