"The Terrifying Rise of Greece’s Nazi Party"

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http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/magazine/108848/the-terrifying-rise-greeces-nazi-party

But Golden Dawn is not just a gang of radical right-wing thugs. It is now the fourth-largest party in Greek politics. In elections this year, it won 18 of 300 seats in parliament on an explicitly anti-immigrant platform.

An interesting article and certainly not the first time I've heard of this Golden Dawn group. It is an intriguing situation Greece faces I think at the moment, not that the mainstream media sources are really paying too much attention to anything other than wider economic issues right now. But honestly, in this day and age, how can anybody ignore any form of Nazism?
 
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I saw this on the news this morning.

They are embedded deep in the government now and even the police.

For example, if you find yourself having squatters in your home and call the police, the police will give you a number to call, which is not the police and they send thugs to deal with the squatters.

On BBC news 24 - Dateline, right now actually.
 
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It appears the first victims of a desperate nation are the immigrants, especially ones that come from impoverished nations in the hope of claiming government benefits.

Just today i read that a rioter died of a heart attack fighting against the police. The greek people have had their government and money taken from them by a supranational state. Not so much the rise of a nazi party as it is the rise of a desperation amongst the population.
 
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About a week before we met, Hussein had gone searching for scrap metal in a central Athens neighborhood near Attica Square. Collecting scrap is a hand-to-mouth job; it pays only a few euros a day.

Stealing copper wire and stuff in other words :/
 
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I have to laugh when people bang on about the middle east and backwards societys, we live in a society that happily has poor people as long as there is a chance to get stupidly rich and be better than everyone else, we accept that we are "civilised" even though the very notion of our society means there HAVE to be very poor people barely scrapping by and a load of people who don't get buy, homeless, and treat the disabled and elderly like a nuisance.

There are not enough jobs for the "western" style economy to function as it is now, let alone in another 20-30-100 years. We have since the dawn of the industrial revolution needed less and less people to do the same jobs, at an astonishingly increased rate in the past 20-30 years with computers and roboticised manufacturing.

This won't ever change, we've been making up jobs out of thin air for 30 years, pushing more paper in a society that is laughably more and more paper-less.


There will be people in every "civilised" country living hand to mouth, off scraps, off crime because there isn't another option. WE need a radically different economy and attitude to life, rich aren't rich, poor aren't poor, not working purely for greed, finding better things to do with spare time than fighting each other.

Until that happens, people after power will radicalise the disenfranchised, its happened for millenia. Someone promises the worst off people something, gives them someone to blame and a way to grab power and uses them for personal gain.

You want capitalism, and the chance to be super rich, you get poor people, crime and radicals with it, they are part of the same thing.
 
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Our western civilised society is based on the exploitation of poorer workers in third world countries. Thhey produce the goods that we depend on, yes it's capitalism at work, but communism didnt work either. I went to russia on a school trip when communism was the power base, the politburo seemed to be very well off, mercedes limousines, caviar and champagne. If anything, a political elite who lived in vastly superior standards than their subjects. And said, "were in this together". Complete nonsense, human greed will always overcome the great socialist idea.
 
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Interesting in Greece, a society made from tourism, based on foreigners coming to stay, that underneath the surface there exists massive resemtment against immigration and foreigners.
Within a couple of years of being left to burn with no bailouts and zero ability to pay anyone in a govt job, greece would be an entirely different place with wholly dfferent attitudes.
This will not happen, but shame, it would be an interesting case study.
 
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Interesting in Greece, a society made from tourism, based on foreigners coming to stay, that underneath the surface there exists massive resemtment against immigration and foreigners.
Within a couple of years of being left to burn with no bailouts and zero ability to pay anyone in a govt job, greece would be an entirely different place with wholly dfferent attitudes.
This will not happen, but shame, it would be an interesting case study.
Germany will just invade greece again, the fourth reich is coming under Ms Merkel.:D
 
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This is the paradox of the Union.

It is happening in every nation, the result being the deaths of dozens of people in Norway as an example.

This war on the middle-east is exactly what fuels it, the irony is quite painful, of course the EU's complete lack of action and seemingly boundless means of nuisance does not help either.

We lost millions of people in both world wars for it all to begin again, just painfully slower this time.

No doubt the old European terror groups will emerge again, perhaps plunging us into a dystopian spiral that we have already begun ourselves with the fruitless exploitations of the middle-east.

That is my feeling of the situation, I don't much care, I got bored of watching year long arguments about a fish quota that still isnt solved and other nations happily stealing the UK's fish stock.
 
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It appears the first victims of a desperate nation are the immigrants, especially ones that come from impoverished nations in the hope of claiming government benefits.

Just today i read that a rioter died of a heart attack fighting against the police. The greek people have had their government and money taken from them by a supranational state. Not so much the rise of a nazi party as it is the rise of a desperation amongst the population.



What I love about groen is his ability to get so many things wrong in such a short space of time. The only bit that is close to right is the first phrase. Yes: as countries head towards chaos, they look for scapegoats, and foreigners and/or Jews are the top of the list (that's not a Godwin reference, pogroms are common). But immigrants are after jobs, not welfare. That's why the bigots accuse them of "stealing our jobs". The Greeks money wasn't taken by the EU, because they get far more money from the EU than they pay into it. It was a) not paid in the first place, and b) urinated away by a corrupt government (who colluded in a) above for their rich friends). And yes, it's the rise of an actual fascist party. I'm sure there are ideological differences with the actual Nazis, but the Nazis weren't ideologically pure in the first place, so many would agree with new clowns.
 
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I saw this on the news this morning.

They are embedded deep in the government now and even the police.

For example, if you find yourself having squatters in your home and call the police, the police will give you a number to call, which is not the police and they send thugs to deal with the squatters.

On BBC news 24 - Dateline, right now actually.

really? that sounds fantastic. Thug4Life.
 
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Who would have thought that a massive fall in living standards coupled with mass unemployment and successive corrupt governments would result in a rise in extremism.
 
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War will happen, its overdue in fact, I don't see the economy recovering at all in places like Greece and it's only a matter of time before they start invading near by countries for food, supplies and anything else they can get their hands on.
 
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