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[nvidiamd]

I was making fun of someone who posted a long list of links to benchmarks to somehow "prove" that 3080 was faster at 1440p. He claimed that the 6800xt was overclocked in some reviews, that`s why it beat the 3080.

AMd do the same thing, Godfall uses DXr but AMD ask developer to block Nvidia from using rayvtracing

but that's ok, AMD can have Godfall and Nvidia will have Cyberpunk 2077

I don`t care about Godfall and i don`t care about Cyberpunk. But you Nvidia fanboys should understand that some games are Nvidia optimized and some are AMD optimized instead of repeating the same crap about hardware agnosticism over and over.

 

[zx128k]

PowerColor Radeon RX 6800 XT Red Devil Overclocked & Tested – 2.65 GHz on Air, Scores Over 56,000 Points In 3DMark Fire Strike
PowerColor Radeon RX 6800 XT Red Devil Overclocked & Tested - 2.65 GHz on Air, Scores Over 56,000 Points In 3DMark Fire Strike (wccftech.com)

There is only Lucky_n00b in the hall of fame for firestrike. He hit 2.65GHz but that speed is not under load. https://hwbot.org/submission/4606724_lucky_n00b_3dmark___fire_strike_radeon_rx_6800_xt_47932_marks
He is first on HWBot for the 6800xt. https://hwbot.org/submission/4606724_lucky_n00b_3dmark___fire_strike_radeon_rx_6800_xt_47932_marks

Note he states,

Some notes:

- 2650Mhz is the boost setting applied from Performance Tuning panel, not the real clock during load (GPU is power-limited)

- Tesselation modified, Not 3DMark Hall of Fame valid (valid score with similar setup around 45K - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/24052851
- It's rather difficult managing the cold bug on the 2-CCD CPU, this one lost the GPU (d6 error) and generally having errors at -100C, changing FCLK to lower doesn't help, not sure exactly what's holding it back

Yes, it was weird to me too, even with Tess ON, the default score is close to 50K Graphics on the 6800 XT. TS and PR is pretty OK, but not this strong.

On raster-based games it was around 3080-level, not 3090. (On DXR games beating 2080 Ti FE by small percentage,but still behind 3080 by a decent margin)

This makes him 6th https://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame-2/fire+strike+3dmark+score+performance+preset/version+1.1/1+gpu This is with the cpu under LN2.

With tess ON Lucky_n00b got 50k, with the same GPU frequency and LN2 on the CPU. https://d1ebmxcfh8bf9c.cloudfront.net/u15135/image_id_2422687.png

Basically the 6800xt is strong in firestrike which is a DX11 benchmark but not as strong in TS or PR.

 

[4K8KW10]

There is only Lucky_n00b in the hall of fame for firestrike. He hit 2.65GHz but that speed is not under load. https://hwbot.org/submission/4606724_lucky_n00b_3dmark___fire_strike_radeon_rx_6800_xt_47932_marks
He is first on HWBot for the 6800xt. https://hwbot.org/submission/4606724_lucky_n00b_3dmark___fire_strike_radeon_rx_6800_xt_47932_marks

Note he states,



This makes him 6th https://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame-2/fire+strike+3dmark+score+performance+preset/version+1.1/1+gpu This is with the cpu under LN2.

With tess ON Lucky_n00b got 50k, with the same GPU frequency and LN2 on the CPU. https://d1ebmxcfh8bf9c.cloudfront.net/u15135/image_id_2422687.png

Basically the 6800xt is strong in firestrike which is a DX11 benchmark but not as strong in TS or PR.

This is not a serious overclock by any means. How did he leave the card on air? And why?
Why the processor on liquid nitrogen and the graphics on air?

Doesn't make any sense.

Waiting for proper overclocking results at least on high-end water!

 

[nvidiamd]

Well it was a first day attempt. You can`t expect to be LN ready so fast. I think we will see better results in the future once the overclockers learn how to fine tune the new cards and after AMD will bring better drivers and better RT support. Give them 2-3 years and it will happen.

 

[zx128k]

I was making fun of someone who posted a long list of links to benchmarks to somehow "prove" that 3080 was faster at 1440p. He claimed that the 6800xt was overclocked in some reviews, that`s why it beat the 3080.



I don`t care about Godfall and i don`t care about Cyberpunk. But you Nvidia fanboys should understand that some games are Nvidia optimized and some are AMD optimized instead of repeating the same crap about hardware agnosticism over and over.

The stock 6800xt gets 8873 in port royal and the overclocked 6800xt gets over 9000. Yet the review shows over 9000 in port royal as stock. CPU does not affect PR at all, its all GPU. SAM does not affect it as well. Only overclocking.

This is the normal stock 6800xt in Port Royal. https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_radeon_rx_6800_xt_review,27.html

then 9143 points. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020...view-the-1440p-gpu-beasts-youve-been-craving/

is it overclocking? yes. see here. https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/amd_radeon_rx_6800_and_rx_6800_xt_review/20

So overclocking the 6800xt to 2.4GHz gets you 9116 points. https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/amd_radeon_rx_6800_and_rx_6800_xt_review/5
This last benchmark confirms stock at 8934.

So some reviews likely have special 6800xt's so be careful.

 

[4K8KW10]

Well it was a first day attempt. You can`t expect to be LN ready so fast. I think we will see better results in the future once the overclockers learn how to fine tune the new cards and after AMD will bring better drivers and better RT support. Give them 2-3 years and it will happen.

I won't give them 2-3 years. Maximum 2-3 months
And to fix their buggy interventions in the code that violate the results.

Looks like either trolling or unprofessional PR to expose the card in its natural light.
Should have tried better, though.

 

[zx128k]

This is not a serious overclock by any means. How did he leave the card on air? And why?
Why the processor on liquid nitrogen and the graphics on air?

Doesn't make any sense.

Waiting for proper overclocking results at least on high-end water!

He is #1 in the world for the 6800xt on HWBOT at the moment.

 

[nvidiamd]

The stock 6800xt gets 8873 in port royal and the overclocked 6800xt gets over 9000. Yet the review shows over 9000 in port royal as stock. CPU does not affect PR at all, its all GPU. SAM does not affect it as well. Only overclocking.

This is the normal stock 6800xt in Port Royal. https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_radeon_rx_6800_xt_review,27.html

then 9143 points. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020...view-the-1440p-gpu-beasts-youve-been-craving/

is it overclocking? yes. see here. https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/amd_radeon_rx_6800_and_rx_6800_xt_review/20

So overclocking the 6800xt to 2.4GHz gets you 9116 points. https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/amd_radeon_rx_6800_and_rx_6800_xt_review/5
This last benchmark confirms stock at 8934.

So some reviews likely have special 6800xt's so be careful.

So you can see the so called overclocking of 6800xt because there is a 200 points difference but you don`t see the 500 points difference for the 3080.
Seriously stop with all this nonsense.

 

[Gregster]

Dirt 5 is optimised for the Consoles. Due to AMD having the same hardware in consoles and in PCs, it's automatically optimised for AMD hardware.

 

[Phage]

Interesting - I can't remember who was talking aboiut a price limit. But we seem to have found the new level.
A competitor has had some 3090s available at ~£1500 for some days with no/few takers

 

[Gregster]

Interesting - I can't remember who was talking aboiut a price limit. But we seem to have found the new level.
A competitor has had some 3090s available at ~£1500 for some days with no/few takers

£1500 is around £500 more than I would really accept (or should say the wife) but if the performance was there in a big way, I would pay it but just feel the 3090 doesn't bring that. I generally look at a GPU to last me 2 years and £500 a year for gaming is acceptable to me.

 

[Richdog]

When posting a video as a response to someone can you please do a quick couple of sentence summary for what the video shows so we don't have to watch it first to get the gist?

£1500 is around £500 more than I would really accept (or should say the wife) but if the performance was there in a big way, I would pay it but just feel the 3090 doesn't bring that. I generally look at a GPU to last me 2 years and £500 a year for gaming is acceptable to me.

I think my limit for a GPU would also be 1000.

 

[Gregster]

I've decided I am definitely waiting until January now before making a purchasing decision,

When posting a video as a response to someone can you please do a quick couple of sentence summary for what the video shows so we don't have to watch it first to get the gist?

Fair one and it is about the IQ on AMD not being as intensive as NVidia and how the results from the bench skew massively in favour of AMD. Not that I really care but felt it might be important to those who do.

 

[zx128k]

So you can see the so called overclocking of 6800xt because there is a 200 points difference but you don`t see the 500 points difference for the 3080.
Seriously stop with all this nonsense.

RTX 3080 has an average score of 11538 which means all the graph results above are below the average. https://www.3dmark.com/search#advanced?test=pr P&cpuId=&gpuId=1338&gpuCount=0&deviceType=ALL&memoryChannels=0&country=&scoreType=graphicsScore&hofMode=false&showInvalidResults=false&freeParams=&minGpuCoreClock=&maxGpuCoreClock=&minGpuMemClock=&maxGpuMemClock=&minCpuClock=&maxCpuClock=

The average 6800xt is the same as rage mode 9039 https://www.3dmark.com/search#advanced?test=pr P&cpuId=&gpuId=1348&gpuCount=0&deviceType=ALL&memoryChannels=0&country=&scoreType=graphicsScore&hofMode=false&showInvalidResults=false&freeParams=&minGpuCoreClock=&maxGpuCoreClock=&minGpuMemClock=&maxGpuMemClock=&minCpuClock=&maxCpuClock= These are mostly OC scores in 3dmark atm results as people bin released cards. Most of the scores above 9000 are the same guy overclocking atm. IbianPahiva ftw. Normal people are 9000 and below.

Overclocking the gpu gives you only a little increase in RT performance. Thus the result from of 9143 score would put a 6800xt in the top 1% of 6800xt's and net you number 66 in the world out of all cards tested. All the results around this score are, "The result is hidden and will not be shown for example on leaderboards or search." atm

No one else gets 9143 port royal 6800xt score at stock but the OC result.

Here is another source, this is a Ryzen 5950x (stock) system reaches 9048. bitwit.

This is from here https://youtu.be/kNCbtfNCb4A

https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/146812-amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt-radeon-rx-6800/?page=14

https://www.legitreviews.com/amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt-and-radeon-rx-6800-review_223774/9

None of the benchmarks I looked at can reach 9100+ but the common thing is that they all use older CPU's. They dont run a Ryzen 5000 series cpu.
So I will look for a Ryzen 5000 series cpu with SAM enable to see if I could be wrong.

This is on intel Core i9-10980XE

This is on AMD Ryzen 9 5950X,

This is still lower than the 6800xt OC 2.4GHx on a 3950x stock. The original benchmark that was odd the source does not give system specs. Note this review got the same 2.4GHz ingame overclock 2,300MHz - 2,450MHz range ingame.

No matter how I look at it 9143 is the highest, higher than everyone else. Equal to a manually overclocked 6800xt.

 

[Richdog]

Fair one and it is about the IQ on AMD not being as intensive as NVidia and how the results from the bench skew massively in favour of AMD. Not that I really care but felt it might be important to those who do.

Thanks chap. I am now definitely waiting until January before I buy a card as I feel that the performance of Big Navi vs AMpere still has a month or two before it's been properly analyzed and the various strengths and weaknesses fully apparent. I will also be very interested to see the results on CP2077 (I saw the recommended 4k + RT system specs already which basically say 'Ampere' lol) with everything maxed out and by then the 6900XT will also be released and maybe some more concrete info about the 3080Ti.

 

[4K8KW10]

Fair one and it is about the IQ on AMD not being as intensive as NVidia and how the results from the bench skew massively in favour of AMD. Not that I really care but felt it might be important to those who do.

Nvidia has marginally improved its IQ but still lags behind - lower texture resolution and fog in the distance:

 

[TNA]

Interesting - I can't remember who was talking aboiut a price limit. But we seem to have found the new level.
A competitor has had some 3090s available at ~£1500 for some days with no/few takers

FOMO at that price level is dying it seems. A lot people with that kind of cash to burn already got one. Some would not even have minded to pay scalpers. End of the day the card has been out for a couple of months now and there has been quite a few FE drops so no surprise there.

Also you will have people who are waiting on a 6900XT before deciding. Though I recon most those people will end up going with the XT if they decide to wait that long.

Fair one and it is about the IQ on AMD not being as intensive as NVidia and how the results from the bench skew massively in favour of AMD. Not that I really care but felt it might be important to those who do.

So the tables have turned? If true will be interesting to see what the @TheRealDeal has to say about it

You still definitely buying a 6900XT? Or waiting to make a decision once reviews are out?

 

[shankly1985]

AMd do the same thing, Godfall uses DXr but AMD ask developer to block Nvidia from using rayvtracing

but that's ok, AMD can have Godfall and Nvidia will have Cyberpunk 2077

Stop talking rubbish, show me a post of amd telling the devs not to enable Ray tracing on nvidia GPUs?

If you look at the bigger picture here. This game is built by a small development team that has just released for consoles and PC. Ray tracing didn't make it in time for release more than likely because it wasn't ready and needed more time!

Yes both amd and Nvidia support DirectX Ray tracing but do you think it's being accelerate the same way? Answer is no

Working along side AMD and console it's a fact AMD would get it first if it was ready.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cyberpunk also doesn't release with Ray tracing for amd on release either.

The end goal is Directx Ray tracing API supports both GPUs but they do the acceleration approach differently.

 

[4K8KW10]

So the tables have turned?

No, it's incorrect settings or intentional paid by Nvidia. This is for the first seconds of the video - after that everything comes back to normal.

 

[zx128k]

Stop talking rubbish, show me a post of amd telling the devs not to enable Ray tracing on nvidia GPUs?

If you look at the bigger picture here. This game is built by a small development team that has just released for consoles and PC. Ray tracing didn't make it in time for release more than likely because it wasn't ready and needed more time!

Yes both amd and Nvidia support DirectX Ray tracing but do you think it's being accelerate the same way? Answer is no

Working along side AMD and console it's a fact AMD would get it first if it was ready.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cyberpunk also doesn't release with Ray tracing for amd on release either.

The end goal is Directx Ray tracing API supports both GPUs but they do the acceleration approach differently.

Its already been posted. Godfall no RT for nvidia until a patch. https://wccftech.com/godfall-ray-tr...but-only-on-amd-gpus-nvidia-getting-it-later/

Godfall Quick Update - 2.0.95

This quick update, 2.0.95 is just for PC and enables the ability for players to play Godfall with ray tracing on while using applicable AMD GPUs. Note: players will need to have the latest AMD GPU drivers to enable this. Ray tracing using NVIDIA GPUs will come with a future update.

Check your version number on the bottom left of the Title Screen or in the Network tab in the Settings to make sure that you have the most recent update for your platform.

DEPLOYMENT STATUS:
PC: LIVE

PC Only

• Enable ray tracing while using applicable AMD GPUs.

This is a DXR game so yes it should run on nvidia right away.

For Cyberpunk the 6800xt is not listed as recommend for RT. https://support.cdprojektred.com/en...issue/1556/cyberpunk-2077-system-requirements

The main issue with games like Cyberpunk 2077 and Control is the need for DLSS. Basically the 6800xt my only be able to run the game with RT at 1080p, with just DXR and get a helpable framerate. The same as the RTX 2060 with DLSS.