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The Trump presidency

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by datalol-jack, Nov 21, 2016.

  1. Kyo

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    It is funny how Trump deliberately takes that clip out context and all his base immediately laps it up as gospel.
     
  2. wesimmo

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  3. Raymond Lin

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    Gullible is the word.
     
  4. Jono8

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  5. Flibster

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    A couple of years back we had the possibility of living and working in San Fran. So we looked at some places. Did the full real estate agent trawl too.

    1. God its horrific. Makes UK estate agents seem almost normal and not at all smarmy or smug.

    2. House roughly the same size as what we have now would have been around $3mil. It's gone up since then. We looked all over, but the mission was our favourite area. Even renting was absurdly high.

    Kinda wish we did buy somewhere though. Could have made a nice profit.
     
  6. Trusty

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    Whats the difference between a wall and fence?
    Did none of you watch the videos?
     
  7. VincentHanna

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    A fence is thin, maybe chain link style with barbed wire.

    A wall is thick.
     
  8. Trusty

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    What would be better?
     
  9. VincentHanna

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    One is "cheap" (relative) and easy to circumvent

    The other is expensive and easy to circumvent
     
  10. Trusty

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    So you agree that a fence is better?
     
  11. VincentHanna

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    They are both pointless, one is cheaper though.
     
  12. Trusty

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  13. VincentHanna

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    The thing is, the democrats would happily hand over money for border security. They just won't do it for a pointless wall

    And why didn't Trump get the money in his previous 2 years in office when he controlled both houses and could have passed it?
     
  14. Trusty

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    No idea, but the whole thing seems like utter charade.
     
  15. Mercenary Keyboard Warrior

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    Its better in that its cheaper in failing to perform the role its supposed to be there for, but at least it fails at a cheaper price ;)
    Take the old berlin wall as an example, seriously fortified and with sniper towers. People tried and succeeded to get across. Plenty died, but most who failed were shot part way even though the wall was quite high and with barbed wire etc.
    People have been negotiating walls and fortifications for years. jeez even in the middle ages they worked out ways to go under and over much higher walls.
    The thing walls are good for is giving you some security and making it difficult to be surprised. They are not great at keeping people out for a sustained period.

    But its clear, Donny wanted a wall, not a fence, he talked concrete plenty. The trial walls were in fact concrete not steel slats, he possibly listened to someone, or more likely hes been offered a better bribe by the chinese steel companies than the russian concrete ones
     
  16. Jono8

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  17. Terminal_Boy

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    High density minefield. Toe-poppers, Bouncing Bettys and bar mines anywhere you could get a vehicle.
     
  18. Raymond Lin

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    It should just copy North Korea and put land mines all over that southern border….when the countries are not at war, when the immigration from the south is at a decade low.

    Crisis? really?

    The only crisis I see is the Presidency, Trump himself. He is talking about using Presidential powers to enact a National Crisis in order to fulfil a campaign promise because he couldn't get congressional funding in the normal channel. He is behaving like an autocrat. That is the crisis in the US right now. It isn't the immigration problem, it is Trump who is using the position of the presidency and flaunts almost 300 years of traditions and legislations on his whim.

    He is the crisis and they need to do something about it, now.
     
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  19. VincentHanna

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    How come it's a crisis now, but wasn't 18 years ago when there were 750% more migrants apprehended crossing the border.
     
  20. timmeh

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    I wonder if Trump will change his tune now a Border Patrol agent has shown him that they can, and do, tunnel under the walls


    I know people in NY renting 1200sq/ft apartments for $2500/month. Utter madness.

    Tweets like this are complete horse ****. I'm yet to read about or watch a Democrat say that they're against border security.

    Has Trump said how he plans to tackle the ones who overstay their visas (the most popular way of getting into/staying in the country)? What sort of wall is he going to use?