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The Trump presidency

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by datalol-jack, Nov 21, 2016.

  1. rIcK

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    If you read the wiki article on bushes fence which was only small stretch in comparison to the Trump wall, was both massively over budget and literally did nothing to stop people climbing over, under and through the fence...

    The southern border is around 2000 miles. That is a completely crazy distance. Imagine a wall going up and down our country England to Scotland about 3 times or driving a car at 70mph none stop for 30 hours to cover that distance. Or if you could build a mile of wall per day it would take over 5.5 years of continued building.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/us-mexico-border-wall-photos-maps-2018-5

    This article seems to indicate a 20 mile stretch costing 73 million, 2000 miles is 73 billion without even including ongoing maintenance.

    Then there's the miles of rivers, deserts, mountains etc. The entire scale of it is mind boggling...
     
  2. Trusty

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    but it wont be 2000 miles anyway, that's not even a consideration at the moment, its not an all or nothing situation. They cant even get 5b to start on certain areas. The administration obviously thinks it can reinforce areas and add to problematic areas. They arent plucking this stuff out of nowhere, its the head of border security himself thats saying they need more barriers.
    Trump is asking for an 1/8th of what the Democrats signed off just a few years ago. It comes across as party politics rather than actually disagreeing with reinforcing certain areas. As has been proven, they are not against barriers.


    Here-
    https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-...i-believe-what-president-doing-hes-absolutely

    Sorry, former head of border security. Under the Obama administration
     
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  3. Raymond Lin

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    Or it’s the distance of building a wall from Edinburgh to London then to Moscow.
     
  4. VincentHanna

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    Why
    Didn't
    Republicans
    Do
    It
    When
    They
    Controlled
    Both
    Houses
    In
    The
    Last
    Two
    Years
    ?
     
  5. Trusty

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  6. Amp34

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    Here’s a suggestion, rather than $5billion for 200 miles of wall (which is what this is all about), why doesn’t he come up with a broader plan - perhaps a plan that costs even more - to do with border security. He could include additional funding for other non wall related projects as well as the $5b for the tricky areas.

    As it is all it seems he’s doing (based on his recent talk and past campaigning) is asking for money to build part of his wall. Then next quarter he’ll ask for another $5b, and another $5b etc.

    Come up with a coherent border security plan (like those ones you highlighted from the past) and perhaps the house will go with it...
     
  7. The Geezer

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    It’s was down to Trump refusing to support the DACA citizen programme the Dems would have given him the money if he allowed 800k law abiding DACA recipients to become full citizens. As usual it all kicked off as he’s hard on immigration and not even these 800k law abiding people would get his support. You may recall MS-13 was his go to lie at the time claiming all DACA recipients were gang members.

    Here are the facts:
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...out-unauthorized-immigrants-enrolled-in-daca/

    Obviously Trusty finds the only link on the web where the numbers are over inflated, we know the number is 800k it was all over the news and Congress.
     
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  8. Trusty

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    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/25/politics/white-house-immigration-framework/index.html

    Happy?
     
  9. DisrupTor75

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    What happend to the 5.7 (or so) billion he was asking for? According to this...

    So now it's jumped to $25 billion? There's no way the dems are going to go for that even as spineless as they usually are.

     
  10. Rifte

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    Hypothetically, if Trump managed to bully his way to the funding.

    How long would it take to build something like this?

    Even if he gets another tenure, my gut instinct is that he cant finish this in 6 years!

    And when the Democrats get in (which they invariably will), will they finish it, or just pull it down?
     
  11. VincentHanna

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  12. The Geezer

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    The point is he gets his legacy regardless of how long it takes to build or effective it is.
     
  13. garnett

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    So, was Trump's campaign chant, "Carry on Obama's plan"? Or something else?

    So funny watching the revisioning.
     
  14. Tony Edwards

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    Probably not that long if they use Mexican builders as I hear they are quite hard workers.
     
  15. Raymond Lin

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    Exactly, Trump is too stupid to come up with any plan, he is only good at slogans that his base all eat up.

    Lock her up!
    Build that wall!

    The ironic thing is that the way is going he is going to get his wish and locked up behind a wall himself.
     
  16. Raymond Lin

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    Has there ever been a President with so much dirt and crap come out, ever?

    Play this much golf, watch this much TV and be influenced so much by the far right media in his policy
    The constant lies, all on tape by the way, you can prove him lied by his own very words from crowd sizes to Norway sweeping their forest to national security issues.
    So many turn over of staff…best ever people my ass. He has like 6 "Acting" secretary in his cabinet.
    Cancel White House Press Conferences because they are too embarrassed in getting caught in the lies
    Appointing his family into senior positions
    The payment to porn stars
    The affairs (yes I am aware Clinton and JFK did that too)
    The Special Prosecutor (Nixon, good company there)
    The Russia inquiry
    3 of his senior staff are arrested/jailed
    His personal lawyer is convicted and incriminated Trump in the payment for campaign funds
    FBI investigation into whether he is an agent for Russia
    The longest ever shutdown ever under a President

    Can you imagine Obama did half of these? Yet the only thing they really had him on was that he was born in Kenya, that Trump made up which Trump admitted he was WRONG. Another lie.

    How can anyone still support him?
     
  17. garnett

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    Ftfy
     
  18. Tony Edwards

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    I hope this is a wind up.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...world-bank-chief-head-successor-a8724371.html
     
  19. Raymond Lin

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  20. Kyo

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    Looks like the Air traffic controller union in the US has had enough and will sue the Government on their shut down. They state that their job is unrelenting and unforgiving yet they are expected to function without pay putting lives at risk on both sides.

    Source

    What are the bets Trump hadnt even considered what was covered as part of essential services when he started this shut down fiasco. Thought federal workers had asked Trump to keep things shut down? He will probably still double down in his lie.
     
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