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The Trump presidency

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by datalol-jack, Nov 21, 2016.

  1. JRS

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    Way ahead of you.
     
  2. Jono8

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    Do you have access to the report or something? I thought only the Attorney General and the Assistant Attorney General have seen it so far.
     
  3. Fairly sure the answer is no

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    I'm assuming now that the report is complete, though we are yet to see it, trump supporters were in favour of this investigation to prove trumps innocence? They and trump are glad it took place right, and never once wanted it stopped?
     
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  4. Jono8

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    I'm also not sure why they are so against it, as it has revealed a national security issue with Russia meddling in the election (ie the Russian intelligence officers indicted), and also managed to convict a lot of criminals for financial crimes and conspiracies against the United States.

    Whether it eventually implicates Trump or not, its a win for America.
     
  5. Pottsey

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    None of which trump helped with in fact he made it worse, much worse. How can you say that after Russia sent assassins into the UK, killed our citizens by using illegal military grade nerve agent and Trump not only gave them a free pass but tried to reward them. How was Trump remotely needed to deal with that dangerous situation? Trump made the situation worse and even more dangerous just like he did with North Kora .


    “It's all calmed down now, people are used to Trump and see he's not as bad as they initially thought.”
    If you really believe that then I feel very sorry for you. Trump turned out worse than initially thought. Just when you think he cannot be any more corrupt or criminal he gets worse. How has it remotely calmed down? Do you generally just forgot about the bad things Trump has done or do you just pretend they never happen?


    “hatred toward him was off the scale, treating him as a racist, Nazi, bigot, a madman and plenty more.”
    Get your head out the sand. That has only got worse as it all turned out to be true. Just this week Trump was attacking American heroes and not to mention all the lies, bigot and racist things he has done. That’s not even starting on his many immoral acts. People hate him because of the evil things he does. He is a poor example of humanity and no one should look up to him and anyone who does is a worry. Having Trump in power has done more harm than the democrats could ever manage.

    People are treating him as a untrustworthy person who constantly lies and a racist, Nazi, bigot because all that is true. No good, honest normal person should be looking at Trump and supporting/defending him.
     
  6. Evangelion

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    Mueller's findings, by the numbers:

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    You can download a detailed summary of Mueller's findings here.
     
  7. jsmoke

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    Does that link include the final report?
     
  8. JRS

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    No, it's 'just' the court filings. The many, many court filings.

    Meanwhile:

     
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  9. Evangelion

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    Pelosi has rejected a private briefing. She wants the Mueller report released publicly.

    Of course not, it hasn't been released.
     
  10. wesimmo

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  11. Raymond Lin

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    Bet it will go over his head.
     
  12. Evangelion

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    Remember when Republicans said the Mueller investigation was going to prove Hillary was the one who'd been colluding all along? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

    /popcorn
     
  13. Evangelion

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    WashPo has some good observations:

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    Trump's foundation has been forced to shut down as a result of its ongoing criminal activities, his administration has been gutted by Mueller, and he's facing 17 independent investigations.

    Meanwhile, Hillary is still free and her foundation is still kicking. That must be the hardest pill for Donald to swallow.
     
  14. Evangelion

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    Did anyone miss yesterday's special event? Trump declared total victory over ISIS for the 15th time since December 2018. (This time it's real, I promise!)

    Meanwhile, he still has troops in Syria. This should not surprise anyone, since his policy on troop withdrawal has changed 7 times in the past 4 months.
     
  15. Evangelion

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    In unrelated news, the regulars at Zero Hedge are all crying into their Coors Lite because they can't understand why the Mueller investigation hasn't resulted in Hillary's arrest, as they were promised by their favourite conspiracy theorists.

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  16. Rroff

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    That last image - while there is realistically only so much that can be done - there were a lot of failings along those lines under Obama's watch - something people seem reluctant to talk about now they can use him against Trump. For instance being completely hands off with regard to North Korea developing and then putting into mass production the KN-09* platform which puts the people of Seoul at a level of risk they actually weren't in previously.

    * A rocket artillery system that actually can bombard the whole city versus their older artillery which realistically 97% of their operation capabilities struggled to reach the outskirts.


    EDIT: Infact I suspect that might underpin a lot of what has gone on with NK and the approach under Trump as potentially that is and in some ways more realistically as much a threat as their potential nuclear capabilities.
     
  17. Evangelion

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    Firstly, where's your evidence that Obama was 'completely hands off' with regard to NK's weapons development? Secondly, considering that this weapon was derived from technology NK received from Russia and China, how exactly was Obama supposed to stop that? Thirdly, you're missing the point (and purpose) of the KN-09. It's not about Seoul; it's about high value targets south of Seoul.

    No, the previous system (M1985/M1991) was more than capable of smashing Seoul. The danger of the KN-09 is that its range covers half of South Korea. This allows it to reach beyond Seoul and strike US military bases 87km south of the city..
     
  18. Rroff

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    Yes anyone can google and find out they can reach as far away as Daejeon and high value targets in that area but they weren't exclusively designed for that purpose. The platform built in the numbers that people seem to have deduced they are capable of* from the facilities observed also presents a significant threat to Seoul - these are highly mobile platforms that can be ready to fire very quickly, can be relocated very quickly unlike a lot of their older artillery which would have to be used in waves on a reverse slope to reduce the horrendous rate of attrition they'd be vulnerable to from pre-sighted counter battery fire and have much further range than the M1985 era MLRS which realistically have to push forward making them highly exposed to have the range to hit anything more than the outskirts of Seoul while the KN-09 can easily reach the whole city.


    * Actually numbers are unknown as while some photos exist showing around 90 of them it is unclear if the images are edited or not.

    EDIT: Fairly balanced perspective on it here though personally I believe they are underplaying it due to the assumption NK can't build the platform or munitions in significant enough quantities but that has largely been proven false in the past when assumed - partly due to overlooking just how much help they do get from the likes of China when it suits them.

    https://nautilus.org/napsnet/napsne...cket-launcher-system-decisive-or-incremental/
     
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  19. timmeh

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    Does what we know so far from Mueller’s report (which from what I can tell is just that no more indictments are recommended) mean that Trump is completely cleared? It seems from Trump supporters posts in here and elsewhere that it does (and they’re out mocking the media/anti-trump folks for jumping the gun whilst potentially doing it themselves) but I can’t find any info anywhere. Could it have found that Trump is guilty of some wrongdoing and recommend that he is impeached?
     
  20. Jono8

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    Interesting..