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The Trump presidency

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by datalol-jack, Nov 21, 2016.

  1. Colonel_Klinck

    Hitman

    Joined: Oct 3, 2007

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    Location: London, UK

    All Trump has done Russia wise is give them a pass. The reason tensions were high was because Putin murdered abroad and at home including Sergei Magnitsky which got a law passed and a load of sanctions. He also ripped off or allowed his henchmen to rip off foreign investors for 100s of $millions. Then he invaded Crimea, interfered in Georgia's government and elections. Oh and is constantly engaged in active measures against the West and our democracies. He is for me the most dangerous man on Earth. He wants the West divided, the EU broken up, the US isolated, perhaps of its own doing.

    He isn't a republican, he's a Trumpster. His only interest is what he can get. So a nice fat tax break for the 1%. Contacts and influence and of course money for his family businesses. He doesn't give a damn about appointed judges ect other than if they can protect him from future criminal charges and they keep his base happy.

    I think he is just as hated, he has dragged the office of the president through the mud. He has made lying on a daily basis totally acceptable. He attacks anyone and everyone, even dead war heroes.

    He has added more than 2 $trillion to the deficit. Someone is going to have to pay that back, it won't be his generation.

    He said neo nazis and white nationalists where "good people". I never thought I'd hear a leader of the US says those words. What really winds me up about him though is he's a bully. I hate bullies. He's a wannabe mobster, he's a criminal who has spent a career ripping off people poorer than him and not suffered the consequences of his actions.
     
  2. Raymond Lin

    Capo Crimine

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    Trump was never needed at ANY time.

    The "swamp" that Washington had was call a democracy, where Politicians had backbones, where lies and criminal indictments don't happen to their staff, where the vast, if nor all of the important position in government are filled, where the longest government shut down hasn't happened in over 20 years over pressure from a TV and radio host.

    Normal!

    Trump, whatever he brings, is never needed.
     
  3. Evangelion

    Capodecina

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    We already know that Mueller has proved:

    * criminal activity within the Trump campaign
    * criminal activity within the Trump Foundation
    * criminal activity within the Trump administration
    * Russian interference in the 2016 election, with the aim of getting Trump into power

    r/Mueller will claim this as a win.

    However, as I've said from the start, Trump has covered his bases well enough. He won't be indicted or impeached on the basis of the Mueller report. r/The_Donald will claim this as a win.
     
  4. Evangelion

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    Trump was not needed, and he has not done anything to resolve these issues.
     
  5. Evangelion

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    Mueller's investigation has exposed so much corruption, the scandals will continue long after his report has been released.

    (Source).

    Trump is completely ring-fenced by criminal inquiries. This will be the defining feature of his presidency.
     
  6. The Geezer

    Wise Guy

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    Posts: 1,908

    Sadly Trump is here to stay.

    There will be a lot of people popping in here going on about the ‘no collusion’, without understanding that Mueller was hoovering up other crimes during his investigation which his indictment allowed.

    I’m sure this news is going to embolden Trump further, the worst is yet to come. He already thought he could walk on water now with the report out and no further indictments Trump will think he has the power to raise the dead like other deities.

    He’s been given a green light to fill the Trump Organisations’ coffers for the next few decades, with whatever legislation through Executive Orders he’ll be signing off.
     
  7. sityeuropa

    Wise Guy

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    Trump is one clever fox eh. Covering all bases. Must know what he's doing alright !
     
  8. Evangelion

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    I've never accused him of not being smart enough to cover his crimes.
     
  9. StriderX

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    Still plenty of work for investigators to deal with, Mueller’s report was always going to be minimal with respect to Trump himself.

    And if Wisconsin is anything to go by, if eventually it transpires out of the other numerous state level investigations that Trump is a criminal, they can just undo everything.

    Cards are falling where they should I feel, dems won’t want to harm the office of the presidency for a single demented idiot. They can probably wait it out. As Trump where he is, is also a great vote pusher for the democrats while he continues to do illegal ****.
     
  10. RaohNS

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    Post that giant oversized page of the probe

    Links between trump campaign and Russia... Aka collusion...

    Lol every poster in here who believed that there was collusion (aka an illicit link between the Trump campaign and Russia) is now a fully certified CTer.

    This is an enormous victory for Trump and proves exactly what he was saying that it was a witch hunt.

    You had an investigation with an overeach beyond measure signed by a corrupt trump hater who was part of a team of Trump hating democratic operatives at the top of the FBI and DoJ who all conspired to try and remove a legitimately elected President... In other countries we call that a coup (all be it in the first instance a soft one). Proven by the "We'll stop this" Strzok texts plus the others of them working together

    Covered his bases well enough lol... The guy has had every inch of his life gone over with a fine tooth comb, his lawyers office raided, his children likely facing some digging into in the process and a relentless Fake News CNN news cycle where two minutes hate has been given every day for two years.

    Seems Dan Bongino, Mark Levin and all the so called "whack jobs" have been correct all along, meanwhile the news media has been
    ... Lol

    Owned :D

    Try again with the fake FEC finance violations that even the guy who wrote them Bradley Smith said was not a violation :D

    :D

    This thread... More resentment incoming and yet more hatred
     
  11. doodah

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    We may need to screenshot that.
     
  12. Evangelion

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    That's not what 'collusion' means.

    Conspiracy theorist drivel. This is OCUK, not AboveTopSecret.

    Nope. Not even close. Trump has refused to release his tax returns (after promising to do so) and threatened schools to keep his academic record a secret. That's just two examples of the way he's covered his bases.

    Obama was the most heavily scrutinised POTUS in history, and he won two history-making landslide victories. Trump isn't even in the same league.

    If it was a witch hunt, why has it resulted in so many convictions of Trump staff, why has it resulted in the shutdown of the Trump Foundation, why has it revealed multiple criminal activities by Trump staff, and why has it resulted in the indictment of foreign nationals who were shown to have interfered with the 2016 election?

    'Enormous victory'? For Mueller, yes. For Trump, no.
     
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  13. JRS

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    Way ahead of you.
     
  14. Jono8

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    Do you have access to the report or something? I thought only the Attorney General and the Assistant Attorney General have seen it so far.
     
  15. Fairly sure the answer is no

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    I'm assuming now that the report is complete, though we are yet to see it, trump supporters were in favour of this investigation to prove trumps innocence? They and trump are glad it took place right, and never once wanted it stopped?
     
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  16. Jono8

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    I'm also not sure why they are so against it, as it has revealed a national security issue with Russia meddling in the election (ie the Russian intelligence officers indicted), and also managed to convict a lot of criminals for financial crimes and conspiracies against the United States.

    Whether it eventually implicates Trump or not, its a win for America.
     
  17. Pottsey

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    None of which trump helped with in fact he made it worse, much worse. How can you say that after Russia sent assassins into the UK, killed our citizens by using illegal military grade nerve agent and Trump not only gave them a free pass but tried to reward them. How was Trump remotely needed to deal with that dangerous situation? Trump made the situation worse and even more dangerous just like he did with North Kora .


    “It's all calmed down now, people are used to Trump and see he's not as bad as they initially thought.”
    If you really believe that then I feel very sorry for you. Trump turned out worse than initially thought. Just when you think he cannot be any more corrupt or criminal he gets worse. How has it remotely calmed down? Do you generally just forgot about the bad things Trump has done or do you just pretend they never happen?


    “hatred toward him was off the scale, treating him as a racist, Nazi, bigot, a madman and plenty more.”
    Get your head out the sand. That has only got worse as it all turned out to be true. Just this week Trump was attacking American heroes and not to mention all the lies, bigot and racist things he has done. That’s not even starting on his many immoral acts. People hate him because of the evil things he does. He is a poor example of humanity and no one should look up to him and anyone who does is a worry. Having Trump in power has done more harm than the democrats could ever manage.

    People are treating him as a untrustworthy person who constantly lies and a racist, Nazi, bigot because all that is true. No good, honest normal person should be looking at Trump and supporting/defending him.
     
  18. Evangelion

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    Mueller's findings, by the numbers:

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    You can download a detailed summary of Mueller's findings here.
     
  19. jsmoke

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    Does that link include the final report?
     
  20. JRS

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    No, it's 'just' the court filings. The many, many court filings.

    Meanwhile:

     
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