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The Trump presidency

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by datalol-jack, Nov 21, 2016.

  1. Sleepery

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    Let's face it, the president is really damaging to himself on a regular basis. Hasn't stopped him yet though :D
     
  2. Raymond Lin

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    Mueller says Trump didn’t conspire.

    Well, that’s that. Only 8 more times to go. You got to match Bengazhi!
     
  3. Fairly sure the answer is no

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    Exactly. He is his own worse enemy.
     
  4. Raymond Lin

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    Watch Trump now praise the good work Mueller has done.

    He is going to kiss his bum.
     
  5. Werewolf

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    No new indictments doesn't mean much given that he may already have them done, but sealed or unavailable until Trump is impeached or has left office.
    It also doesn't mean that just because he hasn't got any more to issue that copies of the relevant parts of the investigation haven't also been passed on to state level investigators for further action as he won't know if or how many indictments they might issue, or when (IIRC states tend to have longer statute of limitations so they might be willing to wait even if Trump gets a second term).

    Even if no further charges are brought against Trump personally it could be very bad for him if for example there are charges against his family, businesses, or simply the conclusion of the investigation is that Trump did wrong but it wasn't due to planned criminality but utter stupidity (the "It wasn't a crime, but it raises serious questions about judgement" line that often gets politicians).
     
  6. Jono8

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    Interesting wording by Barr.

    "Does not conclude the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him"

    What the hell's that supposed to mean?
     
  7. Raymond Lin

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    Still investigating.

    What we know almost certain is that Trump will finish his term and won’t be impeached.
     
  8. Werewolf

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    Basically not enough evidence to charge him, but enough that there is still the question.

    IE they know his people were talking to Russians about things (various Trump team member "remembered" when pushed and given evidence of the meetings about "adoptions" etc), but can't prove they conspired in regards to the elections despite the offers from the Russians.

    The phrasing that it doesn't "exonerate Trump" of obstruction is odd.

    Also don't forget this appears to be a summery letter, not the actual report that is being reported and Nunes et al have released information that has been carefully selected and worded to try and play it down in the past (although I'd hope the DOJ/AG would be slightly better).
     
  9. Kyo

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    I am surprised he isn't as vocal about the summary from Barr. If he was clear of any criminal offence I would have expected him to milk the situation and stress how unfair it was.
     
  10. chroniclard

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    #CrookedDon escapes justice again.
     
  11. sityeuropa

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    HAHA
     
  12. doodah

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    Fair enough though why did so many misled about their contacts with Russians initially?

    Be interesting to see how much of the report Barr has summarised?
     
  13. jsmoke

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  14. jsmoke

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    The whole thing was a setup as already explained in this thread.
     
  15. Fairly sure the answer is no

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    Explained and verified to be incorrect
     
  16. wesimmo

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    I hope we only see a heavily redacted version of the report issued. That would imply there is information in there about other ongoing investigations.

    Mueller may have found other issues during his investigation which weren't necessarily around conspiracy so he farmed them out to the relevant authority to prosecute.

    That might explain why Trump can be cleared of conspiracy but not exonerated of wrong doing.
     
  17. timmeh

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    I guess trump wasn’t listening
     
  18. C.R.A.Z.Y

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    lawl, trump claiming that his exonerated and his brain dead supporters believing him :rolleyes:

    This is an actual quote from Robert Mueller (Barr quoted him)

    With that statement the chance the full report is going to be released is slim to none :mad:


    No wonder trump appointed William Barr as his new AG:

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  19. Evangelion

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    It means they don't have enough evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt.
     
  20. Yas786

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    Well to be fair he has the attention span of a 2 yr old lol.

    Dear god that tweet above has all the stupid ignorant trump supporters out in force. Saying he has been exonerated when it clearly says he HAS NOT BEEN EXONERATED!!! Some people or trump supporters just lack basic reading comprehension lol.