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The Trump presidency

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by datalol-jack, Nov 21, 2016.

  1. Evangelion

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    Pelosi has rejected a private briefing. She wants the Mueller report released publicly.

    Of course not, it hasn't been released.
     
  2. wesimmo

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  3. Raymond Lin

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    Bet it will go over his head.
     
  4. Evangelion

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    Remember when Republicans said the Mueller investigation was going to prove Hillary was the one who'd been colluding all along? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

    /popcorn
     
  5. Evangelion

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    WashPo has some good observations:

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    Trump's foundation has been forced to shut down as a result of its ongoing criminal activities, his administration has been gutted by Mueller, and he's facing 17 independent investigations.

    Meanwhile, Hillary is still free and her foundation is still kicking. That must be the hardest pill for Donald to swallow.
     
  6. Evangelion

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    Did anyone miss yesterday's special event? Trump declared total victory over ISIS for the 15th time since December 2018. (This time it's real, I promise!)

    Meanwhile, he still has troops in Syria. This should not surprise anyone, since his policy on troop withdrawal has changed 7 times in the past 4 months.
     
  7. Evangelion

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    In unrelated news, the regulars at Zero Hedge are all crying into their Coors Lite because they can't understand why the Mueller investigation hasn't resulted in Hillary's arrest, as they were promised by their favourite conspiracy theorists.

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  8. Rroff

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    That last image - while there is realistically only so much that can be done - there were a lot of failings along those lines under Obama's watch - something people seem reluctant to talk about now they can use him against Trump. For instance being completely hands off with regard to North Korea developing and then putting into mass production the KN-09* platform which puts the people of Seoul at a level of risk they actually weren't in previously.

    * A rocket artillery system that actually can bombard the whole city versus their older artillery which realistically 97% of their operation capabilities struggled to reach the outskirts.


    EDIT: Infact I suspect that might underpin a lot of what has gone on with NK and the approach under Trump as potentially that is and in some ways more realistically as much a threat as their potential nuclear capabilities.
     
  9. Evangelion

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    Firstly, where's your evidence that Obama was 'completely hands off' with regard to NK's weapons development? Secondly, considering that this weapon was derived from technology NK received from Russia and China, how exactly was Obama supposed to stop that? Thirdly, you're missing the point (and purpose) of the KN-09. It's not about Seoul; it's about high value targets south of Seoul.

    No, the previous system (M1985/M1991) was more than capable of smashing Seoul. The danger of the KN-09 is that its range covers half of South Korea. This allows it to reach beyond Seoul and strike US military bases 87km south of the city..
     
  10. Rroff

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    Yes anyone can google and find out they can reach as far away as Daejeon and high value targets in that area but they weren't exclusively designed for that purpose. The platform built in the numbers that people seem to have deduced they are capable of* from the facilities observed also presents a significant threat to Seoul - these are highly mobile platforms that can be ready to fire very quickly, can be relocated very quickly unlike a lot of their older artillery which would have to be used in waves on a reverse slope to reduce the horrendous rate of attrition they'd be vulnerable to from pre-sighted counter battery fire and have much further range than the M1985 era MLRS which realistically have to push forward making them highly exposed to have the range to hit anything more than the outskirts of Seoul while the KN-09 can easily reach the whole city.


    * Actually numbers are unknown as while some photos exist showing around 90 of them it is unclear if the images are edited or not.

    EDIT: Fairly balanced perspective on it here though personally I believe they are underplaying it due to the assumption NK can't build the platform or munitions in significant enough quantities but that has largely been proven false in the past when assumed - partly due to overlooking just how much help they do get from the likes of China when it suits them.

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  11. timmeh

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    Does what we know so far from Mueller’s report (which from what I can tell is just that no more indictments are recommended) mean that Trump is completely cleared? It seems from Trump supporters posts in here and elsewhere that it does (and they’re out mocking the media/anti-trump folks for jumping the gun whilst potentially doing it themselves) but I can’t find any info anywhere. Could it have found that Trump is guilty of some wrongdoing and recommend that he is impeached?
     
  12. Jono8

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    Interesting..

     
  13. Sleepery

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    Let's face it, the president is really damaging to himself on a regular basis. Hasn't stopped him yet though :D
     
  14. Raymond Lin

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    Mueller says Trump didn’t conspire.

    Well, that’s that. Only 8 more times to go. You got to match Bengazhi!
     
  15. Fairly sure the answer is no

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    Exactly. He is his own worse enemy.
     
  16. Raymond Lin

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    Watch Trump now praise the good work Mueller has done.

    He is going to kiss his bum.
     
  17. Werewolf

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    No new indictments doesn't mean much given that he may already have them done, but sealed or unavailable until Trump is impeached or has left office.
    It also doesn't mean that just because he hasn't got any more to issue that copies of the relevant parts of the investigation haven't also been passed on to state level investigators for further action as he won't know if or how many indictments they might issue, or when (IIRC states tend to have longer statute of limitations so they might be willing to wait even if Trump gets a second term).

    Even if no further charges are brought against Trump personally it could be very bad for him if for example there are charges against his family, businesses, or simply the conclusion of the investigation is that Trump did wrong but it wasn't due to planned criminality but utter stupidity (the "It wasn't a crime, but it raises serious questions about judgement" line that often gets politicians).
     
  18. Jono8

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    Interesting wording by Barr.

    "Does not conclude the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him"

    What the hell's that supposed to mean?
     
  19. Raymond Lin

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    Still investigating.

    What we know almost certain is that Trump will finish his term and won’t be impeached.
     
  20. Werewolf

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    Basically not enough evidence to charge him, but enough that there is still the question.

    IE they know his people were talking to Russians about things (various Trump team member "remembered" when pushed and given evidence of the meetings about "adoptions" etc), but can't prove they conspired in regards to the elections despite the offers from the Russians.

    The phrasing that it doesn't "exonerate Trump" of obstruction is odd.

    Also don't forget this appears to be a summery letter, not the actual report that is being reported and Nunes et al have released information that has been carefully selected and worded to try and play it down in the past (although I'd hope the DOJ/AG would be slightly better).