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The Trump presidency

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by datalol-jack, Nov 21, 2016.

  1. drunkenmaster

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    Yes, conveniently ignore the part where they say rebels were fighting against Gaddafi, because there were no rebels, there was no uprising by those rebels, Obama waded in for absolutely no reason at all, started a war, declared war and that was literally the first bit of fighting that happened. This was followed up by a full scale invasion, because obviously that is what you do when you fire the first shots and declare a war, and then simply take over the country as your own.... oh, wait, the US and Obama did none of those things.

    So your own quote says rebels were fighting the leadership and that civilians were being killed.

    Also your own quote says this

    so a limited intervention, what were they intervening with if not an ongoing already started situation. It's hard to intervene in a war you start, because you know, you started it and again your own source said it started off as protecting civilians... so, you're talking rubbish and even your own links disagree with your assessment of what you're attempting to talk about.
     
  2. Evangelion

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    Iran has quadrupled her production of enriched uranium, and is now on target to produce weapons grade material.

    Another epic failure by Trump.
     
  3. doodah

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    And I would imagine they can kiss goodbye any future deal now that Iran and the world know what America's word (or contractual obligations) is worth.

    NK has nukes and they get praised
    Iran doesn't and gets punished

    Upside down world.
     
  4. StriderX

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    If Iran has a nuke, they may very well use it, even if it means nuking Tehran, as long as it annihilates the Americans frontline.

    Imagine being the president that killed tens of thousands of American soldiers, for no reason.

    If Russia has any scruples it will move into Iran as a shield, but I imagine they may actually want this war.
     
  5. FTM

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    it will cripple american operations right across the middle east

    if you fight Iran..you also fight all the shia militias...so that means all american troops in iraq instantly become targets stuck in fixed positions in a hostile country, in much smaller numbers than they were previously. all your embedded forces in syria also become targets

    the mans a buffoon
     
  6. Yas786

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    But wait??? He said he doesn’t want a war with Iran though??
    This has all the hallmarks of John Bolton written all over it, if anyone is a war mongering fool its Bolton.

    Funny how the Iran nuclear deal was being implemented correctly and the Iranians were sticking to their promises. Only for Bolton and Trump to tear up the deal because for some bizarre reason it was wrong aka Obama did the deal so it’s wrong etc.
     
  7. Jokester

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    I’m pretty sure Trump is just manipulating the oil market, give it 12 months and US / Iran relations will be back to normal and the glut of oil on the market will drive oil prices down in time for the US presidential elections.
     
  8. JeditOjanen

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    Iran wouldn't use a nuke on the frontline. They'd only use the bomb if they were going to be glassed anyway, and it's more likely that they'd use it to annihilate Israel.
     
  9. Rroff

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    Iran doesn't want Russia there - maybe that will change if their backs are truly to the wall but they are opposed to any potential occupation of the country whether that is from the US or potentially Russia.

    Yeah all their threats have been directed at wiping Israel off the map. Realistically they only have one shot and I believe though can't be certain that they know that so if they ever did use a weapon of mass destruction it would be against Israel.

    I don't really have enough insight into the mentality of those running Iran to know the likelihood of using a nuke given the capacity to do so but I know that isn't something supported by most every day Iranians. (EDIT: Actually not even sure there - all the Iranians I've met have had very similar views against the leadership of both Iran and the US and a desire to see peace in the middle east but that is probably part of the reason I've met them not in Iran).
     
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  10. Jokester

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    I can’t see any reason why Iran would want to be turned into Afghanistan.
     
  11. doodah

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    Kris Kobach has some supposedly subtle demands for Trump if he were to become his immigration tsar....
     
  12. DisrupTor75

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    As far as I am aware Russia & Iran are allies (not sure as to the strength of that alliance) so Iran's best option may be to offer Russia, or China, a deal in return for them having a presence in Iran itself. Seems the only thing that can shield Iran from US aggression is another nuclear power willing to stare down America.
     
  13. Rroff

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    Allies yes but Iran won't (willingly) let anyone establish a presence in their country friend or foe - for instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamadan_Airbase
     
  14. wesimmo

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    It'll be China, they're less concerned about overt military strength abroad than owning half the planet.

    Trump is pushing an isolationist and antagonistic path while his competitors are expanding their influence, not only is he making America stagnate, he's accelerating the economic subjugation of the world by China.
     
  15. Trusty

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    He's doing the opposite actually, this is what the whole trade war, if you want to call it that, is about. Curbing China and opening them to be more transparent..

    This isnt exactly coming from the Trump administration as well, this is big corps that are pushing Trump to deal with China. It's been put off for far too long. Short term pain, long term gain is the story of this trade war.

    Its why you have Google banning Huawei

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48330310
     
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  16. Conscript

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    I thought Google banned Huawei because of the actions of his administration?

    From that link: "The move comes after the Trump administration added Huawei to a list of companies that American firms cannot trade with unless they have a licence."

    I wouldn't have thought that the producer of one of the most popular mobile operating systems on the planet would have much commercial interest in limiting trade with what is now one of the largest smartphone producers on the planet.


    Also: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48360373

    "Some of the world's biggest footwear firms are urging Donald Trump to end the US trade war with China, warning of a "catastrophic" effect on consumers.
    In a letter signed by 173 companies, including Nike and Adidas, they said the president's decision to hike import tariffs to 25% will disproportionately impact the working class.
    They also warn that higher levies threaten the future of some businesses.
    "It is time to bring this trade war to an end," the firms urged."

    If, as you claim, big corporations are behind this trade war, why would so many of them be urging the administration to end it?
     
  17. doodah

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    Any one see Ben Carson's latest calamity (don't forget he also broke the law with his spending habits at HUD)? Carson has to go down as one of the worst and most ineffective cabinet secs.

    Would love to know how his former brain surgery patients are doing.....
     
  18. VincentHanna

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    Confusing REO with Oreo's?
     
  19. doodah

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    Yeah and his general disregard for his job or the lives it affects, smirking at one point. Probably some manufactured gotcha questions but he's such a easy target - he should try doing some research.
     
  20. Yas786

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    And Amway as well:p. How in the holy hell did this pile of crap ever become a brain surgeon?? He’s been snorting too much of his own anaesthesia lol.

    It was hilarious trying to reclaim his time back and promptly told to get back in his box. Even smirked about it.