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The Trump presidency.

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by datalol-jack, 21 Nov 2016.

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  1. jsmoke

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    Well all I can say is, the guy who designed and wrote a lot of the software for the nsa says they do have embedded devices all around the Internet that can record traceroute on many segments. Why would he need to lie.
     
  2. kinetic747

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    On a separate note apply that same question to Trump, it may take some getting used to but it'll be an enlightening experience.:p
     
  3. jsmoke

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    He comes from a different era, the mafia had a huge hand in a lot of things back in those days then the government became the mafia. Tough world to grow up in, many snakes. So what does trump lie about?
     
  4. Werewolf

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    Erm There is a difference to being able to get a trace route (it's no secret as tracert for example is a standard troubleshooting feature in every version of windows since about 3.1) and them doing it all the time.

    It is a diagnostic tool, and lists the steps between the host and the client.
    Unless you're having a problem that needs to be fixed, say high latency or packet loss it gives now more usable information than doing a simple IP look up (it might tell you that the packet took 200ms and took 13 hops rather than 30ms and 12 hops).
    I have no doubts devices have the ability, it's a standard diagnostic tool, but using it all the time is a completely different thing.

    It has a highly noticeable network overhead and unless you're doing it from the endpoint (say the hacked host server) at the very moment of interest it's potentially worse than useless as the route can change from moment to moment, let alone from one day to another as network loads vary or there are problems (hence it's a diagnostic tool), so running it even just hours later can give very different results*

    This is really basic stuff, and like many of your posts it shows a lack (wilful?) of how technical things work that is almost funny in this day and age, especially when you're talking about it on a technical forum that has things like guides.

    It doesn't give you any more useful information in terms of attempted hacks than the simple logs that are standard where the end IP address is logged, as that's the bit that is important.


    *I used to have fun watching how the route to an mmorpg I played would change at peak times and weekends, when the network that hosted the server got overloaded on it's normal London>Holland link and would start routing through multiple countries (and in one instance when the routing tables got completely messed up it was sending everything to NYC and back in both directions as it lost all it's EU-UK direct lines).
     
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  5. Werewolf

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    What does trump lie about?

    I would list the lies, but I haven't got all month, so lets just put it like this, he's currently telling about 3000 a year just on the record in public, over everything from the size of the crowds at his inorgeration, to things that actually matter.

    He'll even tell contradictory lies within minutes when on camera, so either he's a habitual and compulsive liar, or he's a compulsive liar with serious memory issues.
     
  6. Murphy

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    You do know the whole USB thing is rubbish, right? Just because data has been transferred to a USB stick at some point in time doesn't mean that's how it was originally acquired, if you had 50k odd potentially sensitive emails that you acquired illegally from a high profile politician that you wanted to send to wikileaks would you seriously spend days uploading it to their servers, or would you just stick em on a $5 USB stick and whack it in the post.
     
  7. semi-pro waster

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    You're clearly not being serious and are probably just looking for people to waste their time showing you evidence again that you can ignore, there are huge lists dedicated to the lies that Donald Trump has told (Politifact offers one for some untruths but there are others available -https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/). Feel free to knock yourself out with a few searches to find out what Donald Trump has lied about - the list is long and varied.
     
  8. jsmoke

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    OK I'll find the video, you have no idea what hardware and software the nsa has developed, here's a man bill binney who was at the top of the tree who actually implemented these things telling us it can and is done yet here's you telling us because you've messed around with the tracert program in windows that you know better?
     
  9. jsmoke

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    Get a grip, they know when the files were stolen and the timestamps on the files tell when they were transferred to wikileaks. It's that simple.

    And yes you would send via the Internet if that's how you stole them
     
  10. jsmoke

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  11. Murphy

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    Your ignorance is showing.
     
  12. jsmoke

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    Read the article. ,
     
  13. Murphy

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    What The Duran article you posted? Because if so you really need to be a little more skeptical when it comes to the information you're consuming as The Duran is well know for Far Right, Russian Propaganda, Conspiracy, Poor Sourcing, Lack of Transparency, Plagiarism.
     
  14. jsmoke

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    It's a lot of tech facts, where is evidence it was a Russian hack?
     
  15. Sankari

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    Oh dear, Trump is freaking out again. Why? Because the media caught him lying for the millionth time.

    'Trump Lashes Out At “Enemy of the People” Media For Reporting On His Mexico Trade Deal Scam In Series Of Rage Tweets.'

    It was all laid out very clearly in the 2018 indictments:

    (Source).
     
  16. Murphy

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    You want me to do your critical thinking for you? For starters try using Google and cross referencing any information with firsthand sources, maybe start with the wiki entry, from there you can move onto the government reports.
     
  17. jsmoke

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    I read that already but where is the tech proof I could say the moons made of green cheese. There are many people who say this part of the report is a complete lie. Last September Trump ordered the nsa/cia/fbi to hand over all data pertaining to the hack. These agencies essentially told trump where to go which again is illegal. The next step would be to send US marshalls to the front door of the nsa and order them to comply. From there they either stand down or be arrested by whatever force is necessary.

    Easy to sort this out just hand over the info to the DOJ.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/24/trump-justice-department-intelligence-1344958
     
  18. jsmoke

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    There's no proof, all evidence contradicts the report. It's a total lie.
     
  19. Murphy

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    Did you read what you said before clicking the post reply button? Because you've basically contradicted yourself in the same sentence.

    First you say there's no proof then you say the evidence (AKA: proof) contradicts the report, which is it, is there evidence that contradicts the reports or is there no evidence?
     
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  20. jsmoke

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    I said there has been no proof that malware was used, no proof that a server/pc in illinois was involved.

    There is proof that the files were transferred in the fat32 format(removable devices ) there's proof in the files timestamps when the files were transferred. Are you calling bill binney an idiot he's a world leading expert he's the guy that actually creates the software for the nsa.

    Let's see the data then.
     
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