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The Trump presidency

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by datalol-jack, Nov 21, 2016.

  1. StriderX

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    They're NATO troops, so shooting them would be an act of war and NATO would be obliged to invade Turkey.

    It's about making Turkey stand down, and if Trump can't even do that, what even is the point of him? Being pushed around by a country that continuously edges on the brink of tyranny.
     
  2. Trusty

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    You honestly think Turkey would be invaded if a Nato solider was killed?

    Are you forgetting that Syrian PM recently asked the US to remove itself as an occupying force in it's country?
     
  3. StriderX

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    It's an act of war, the treatise don't specify it as important if it was another NATO country.

    The soldiers on the ground are disgusted by this and the Syrian PM can go **** himself, their forces aren't equipped to fight Turkey.

    Also if it even mattered, why didn't Trump order the leave in 2016 after he won (No you can't use ISIS as the reason, as these folks are holding a significant number of them in jail, so the rationale still stands)? The Syrians have never allowed the US to be in the country at all, it is irrelevant to bring it up only now.
     
  4. cheesyboy

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    I'm increasingly believing he might just refuse to step down after losing the election. If he is facing court cases that might send him to jail, he has to stay in position to avoid the charges.
     
  5. Trusty

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    What? The Syrians and the Turkish are working together to clear an area occupied by the PKK...
     
  6. StriderX

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    So? By all accounts the men on the ground, the entirety of the GOP bar Trump, the military brass all say they were following agreements to the letter.

    I'm going to trust 3 groups of people over a liar.
     
  7. Trusty

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    What are you talking about?

    The US used the PKK/YPG/SDF to fight ISIS. We essentially used terrorists to fight terrorists. The US is leaving the area after being asked by the Syrian PM at the recent UN summit i might add, to allow Syria and Turkey to clear an area for refugees to safely come home to Syria.
     
  8. Jono8

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    You honestly think that Turkey would attack the US army?

    Then if that was the case, do you honest think that if they did, America wouldn't retaliate?

    You are being massively disingenuous about this whole thing.

    America fought with the Kurds against ISIS. Whilst American troops were there allied with the Kurds, Turkey wouldn't dare lay a finger on an Americsn Soldiet or a Kurd.

    Now America has gone and Trump has green lit Turkey to invade , many Kurds will die at the hands if Turkey.

    It is very simple and any argument to suggest otherwise is simply not based on objective reality.
     
  9. StriderX

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    And the threat still remained active, the fact is that this has damaged the US's security, so besides them being Turkey's enemy (don't give a single **** at this point considering it's government and history), they were cooperating in staying in Syrian lands.

    It's clear to me that Turkey is increasingly an enemy state that needs dealt with.
     
  10. Trusty

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    Not based in objective reality?

    ...the US didn't fight with the Kurds, stop using this generic term for 25 million people.


    The US fought with the SDF. SDF is a rebranding of the YPG/PKK. The YPG/PKK are a terrorist organisation.



    https://www.tc-america.org/issues-information/pkk-terrorism-30.htm

    The US used a terrorist group to defeat another terrorist group, ISIS.

    The US befriended some extremists to defeat the stronger extremists. Now we are leaving the extremists we befriended because, well.... we used & manipulated them.
     
  11. Trusty

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    What are you talking about?
     
  12. Raymond Lin

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    Trusty, are you saying Lindsay Graham was wrong on Fox news and that Trump was wrong a year ago?
     
  13. StriderX

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    He's saying everyone bar Trump, Erdogan and the Syrian government are wrong and that there can be no way at all that the general Kurdish population is being subjugated against their will seemingly.

    Now it'll just end up in the hands of Iranian counter-intelligence and another group targeting US bases and the US in general, what a win.

    They have every reason to push for their own nation in the area rather than one the Anglo-French focused agreement **** out over the people there.

    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meetd..._/03_kurdishgenocidesofanfalandhalabja_en.pdf

    The irony here is that if this was 1776 and the US rebels never won, we'd have called them terrorists too.
     
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  14. Raymond Lin

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    The delusion is unreal.
     
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  15. Jono8

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    What does that video prove? That the Turks classed them as terrorists?

    You whole position on this is the TURKISH position.
     
  16. Raymond Lin

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    He picks and choose propaganda that suits him.
     
  17. Trusty

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    The European Union has named the PKK a terrorist organisation? Are you saying they are wrong?
     
  18. StriderX

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