It sounds like it! It's like it's given you a glimpse of what's out there and what's possible which has given you some direction which is wicked!
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Worded like that? There are certain ways for a company or manager to ask things and that wouldn't be one I would lead with tbf
"Noxia, you're a loner, you prefer working alone so why do you want to be a PM?"
Would be much more palatable as:
"Noxia, I'm interested in your desire to be a PM. What about this role interests you the most?" and get into a discussion to understand ones' motivations vs. their current responsibilities and previous activities.
If you read the full sentence, you'd see I said "and that would get into a discussion to understand one's motivations..." which covers the concerns around this. You can talk to people without being a ****. Calling one of your employees a loner makes you sound like a ****.
Curious what industry that is and how many people you manage?
Ah OK, I can see why it's a different space
Not in a bad way at all, I was simply curious 
I don't know why I thought this place would have changed in any way. I've been working on requirements for a product analytics tool to give product teams the insight and data they need. I wanted to do it properly (since it's our new product world and all in the org) and make sure we really understand the problem before getting a solution. I've been working on this for probably a month with user research etc. I get an email this morning basically saying the management has picked a tool. Without understanding our needs. But it's cheap and they can have it now, rather than wait. FML.
Much like you @Martynt74 with the software they picked at your place... it's infuriating! What's more, I am supposed to be able to have this sort of input, until someone decides I shouldn't.
So instead, I cancelled all my meetings this afternoon and having the afternoon off. I'll work on Cheezus stuff and feel more productive there. It's a bank holiday monday here, so that'll be nice and I've booked next friday afternoon off too. If they are determined to go down the same route they always have, I'll do what they say, nod when I need to and check myself out. Not worth the mental battle daily to get anything properly done.
Just needed a rant so I didn't send someone a ****** email
Much like you @Martynt74 with the software they picked at your place... it's infuriating! What's more, I am supposed to be able to have this sort of input, until someone decides I shouldn't.
So instead, I cancelled all my meetings this afternoon and having the afternoon off. I'll work on Cheezus stuff and feel more productive there. It's a bank holiday monday here, so that'll be nice and I've booked next friday afternoon off too. If they are determined to go down the same route they always have, I'll do what they say, nod when I need to and check myself out. Not worth the mental battle daily to get anything properly done.
Just needed a rant so I didn't send someone a ****** email
Mate that's quality! Will be good. Nice step into a new exciting space
Oh man what a shame that the old CFO left... I hate it when things like that happen.
Can you discuss all of this with the new CFO? Is he aware of all previous promises you were made etc?
I'd be looking elsewhere at this point. I mean, it's not ideal but it sounds like it'll just bury you again and for your health it doesn't sound good.
Work this week has been a complete pain. I work for a dept. called Operational Excellence and my line manager is the head of this team. However, my main customer is the product org as I do product management excellence (defining processes, best practices bla bla) so my objectives have been set by my team but this week I thought all was going well, but apparently the head of product has been bitching to other people I'm not meeting their immediate needs and thinking too far into the future. I haven't been given this feedback and in fact I'm working on both parts, the now and next across all things. There is one of me but apparently they need about 3 of me with what they expect. It got all political and **** spreading around as the head of product (who I thought we had a decent relationship with) hates my boss. It's just caused me some really late nights and confusion and lack of trust.
On top of this it's at a point where I'm just being given tasks, like "do this, in this format, like this" which is so utterly demotivating. I took this job to use my experience and do things right. They don't seem to care about this though.
I got it out my system. Will just carry on carrying on but trying to make it not impact my evenings. I have worked all week until 11-12 at night and been starting at 7-8. I dont have much time for family, let alone Cheezus which is my only respite and fulfilment at the moment. I have a 1:1 today with my boss. She's not very good though, so not sure voicing this stuff will be helpful or fuel the fire between her and the head of product. I hate company politics... I just want to do a good job and the do the right things.
Let us know how it goes!
I put in some hours last week. It was bank holiday for us last monday, so considering we had a day off and I took friday afternoon off, I still managed to do over 40hours last week. It was useful though and I knocked out some work that is pulling a lot of things together, so at least if nothing else, I feel a bit better about executing on a few big things. I have some reservations on my ability to do it all though, purely from a size of deliverable for one person across multiple of these types of things, but hey. I'll raise these things to my manager. I have zero chance of getting any extra support at this point but hey.
I had an email last friday morning, just before I took the afternoon off from a snr director at GSK. I had, some months ago, found out that GSK had been through a similar product transition to our current journey. It was documented online in an article, and had the names of the people leading it. I reached out to 3 of them on linkedin and messaged the most senior one. I really wanted to see if we could chat to understand how their journey went, and if I could get any learnings from them. I also thought they might be good for one of our external speaker series engagements to talk about their journey.
Anyway, we had a back and forth by email a couple of months ago and then I got really busy, as did he. He hadn't replied since my last email, but did yesterday apologising and asking if we can get together for a virtual coffee and that he had a job he thought I would be interested in...
Funnily enough, I think I was emailed about this job through linkedin notifications. It's a director of product management for GSK. Great role, great company name. In line with my current path as Ass. Dir. Product Excellence. However, it's London, and a year contract for the role... and I get a very nice salary, which would be hard to beat (not impossible, but I'm not sure package wise it'd be comparable with my Swiss contributions etc.) and of course my WLB would be worse, as travel would make this (after covid, I'd assume) more time consuming than my current setup. Although, where I am, I don't think I would have a chance of moving up to a Dir. level position... at least not for some years and I am all about the progression.
It's those golden handcuffs that make these decisions more difficult to make... risk increase for better potential longterm gain? Anyway, we're chatting this afternoon, so I'll see what he says. If nothing else it's a great connection to have.
ramble over.
Sounds like it was worth it and at the end of the day, you had to really do it and like you said, nothing to lose. You can't keep going on like this for your sake. It sounds like it was productive and hopefully some action comes from this. I believe he's actually right on the let things break. No one has tried to fix the issue of you being the SPF on these things because they haven't had to. As soon as they have to (if you left anyway, they'd have to) they'll find a way to sort it. It's just easier going to you.
I bet you are! It's a nice feeling when you are in this position!
I received another bunch of completely conflicting demands and emails on Friday. Then the head of product putting things in bold in an email to me saying "I don’t consider this an issue between you and I, Ross, not at all. It’s the NOE (and former P&O) approach, and I’ve reached out to Z to share this directly, I believe it’s a mindset shift needed with Z and the approach taken to engage with NX."
Yea, but as much as that's nice and all, I don't really like being the **** in the middle getting pushed about like a political pawn.
While I'm trying to keep doing my best here, I feel it's futile and I'm losing the will. I do not like this as I always approach things to do my very best for the outcomes and business, it's just such a pain of a place. At the same time, I am going to keep my focus on delivering more value on Cheezus, which means planning as well as I can, so I can still work on Cheezus stuff. At the moment, the last 2-3 weeks I've been emotionally drained after work so found it really hard to push myself to work on side project stuff. Basically, plan better, solve problems, better use my time, **** people.
Yea, I agree with these too.
ha leaving bonus!
Good shout. I love riding in when I was doing it, although man that was some time ago now lol WFH seems to have lasted forever
I'd still chase it, but you're right. It'd leave a sour taste in my mouth.
I was once notified I didn't get a role by accident in CC on an email between the internal HR and Hiring manager, after AGES left after the last interview as well. I hadn't chased as I realised in the process that I really didn't want that role anyway, but the whole management of it was a sham.
yep
I've just been given the heads up by a colleague who I used to work for and get on really well with, that I'm going to be given the task of leading the project for information classification here.
I have no idea how this relates to me, it's not in my space and certainly leading a project on top of my other ever changing list of priorities should not be. It's the second time this week that it's happened. I've been added to the core team for handling bloody role mapping from other business units to ours... wtf has that got to do with me?! The other guy on it has a team of 2 people he makes do all this work. Muggins here has to do it all himself.
I have no idea how this relates to me, it's not in my space and certainly leading a project on top of my other ever changing list of priorities should not be. It's the second time this week that it's happened. I've been added to the core team for handling bloody role mapping from other business units to ours... wtf has that got to do with me?! The other guy on it has a team of 2 people he makes do all this work. Muggins here has to do it all himself.
Anyone with 16-17yr old kids that drive you bloody mental when it comes to getting off their arse? My 16yr old (17 in Jan) has been on holiday now since May and I said he should get a summer job. I was working from 14. Hell, I was washing cars at 10 and so many things in between. I did it all off my own back, no one helped me. All my jobs I've got.
It seems trying to get blood out a stone trying to get him to understand anything relating to his future career. I keep doing all the legwork and opening doors and he'll say all the right things to us and then do **** all about it.
Me and the wife are both scrappy little hustlers so we've got that drive and have always worked and grafted from being young, but he's just impossible to motivate. He has had an allowance all year, a decent one I'd say for the bugger all he does around here, yet he's spunked it all on games and crap. Now he needs summer clothes and trainers and funnily enough has **** all money and is like "clothes are expensive" JESUS WAKE UP MAN!!
Needed a parental rant there. Anyone?
It seems trying to get blood out a stone trying to get him to understand anything relating to his future career. I keep doing all the legwork and opening doors and he'll say all the right things to us and then do **** all about it.
Me and the wife are both scrappy little hustlers so we've got that drive and have always worked and grafted from being young, but he's just impossible to motivate. He has had an allowance all year, a decent one I'd say for the bugger all he does around here, yet he's spunked it all on games and crap. Now he needs summer clothes and trainers and funnily enough has **** all money and is like "clothes are expensive" JESUS WAKE UP MAN!!
Needed a parental rant there. Anyone?
I would like to think girls and boys will be different but I think just kids are all different. We had a break through. He sorted his stuff out, did his test day at the bakery and was offered the job. He'll be working 5 days a week over summer there! He's beyond pleased and has actually thanked us a lot for putting the pressure on him. He said that he now understands more what we wanted for him. He said he thought getting this job was hard (bless) but it's his only point of reference, so at least he's done it without NEEDING it. He has a home, food etc. so when it comes to a real job at 18 at least he'll have some experience and it won't seem as daunting.
Very pleased either way. I want him to do more with his video editing skills and that, but I do really want him to get a job like he has. He needs to earn his stripes in the world of work, working at the bottom. Doing hard graft on your feet all day!
How's it going? Still all good?
Work is fine for me at the moment. I'm being roped into all sorts of things because they need someone to make sense of it all, which is a pain because it's all immensely dull stuff like mapping roles to other business units, operating model and facilitation of SOP creation... oh yay! I said as long as I don't have to write them and they give me resource for that I don't mind. It needs to be done anyway.
I'm currently an AD and been there a year. I want to line up a path internally in general, but want to get some real deliverables out the way before properly pushing for progression, but I have been tempted to see if they'll sort out something like my Masters through work. I don't know why, I never completed my BEng. I dropped out and started working, but kind of feel I'd like to get my masters just purely for a bucket list type thing. Just not sure it's worth my time to be honest, or if I should just concentrate my spare time on the things I like to do instead.
Anyone else done their masters later? Any thoughts?
This was too good not to share. I've got an open position on linkedin for the head of cheese job. This person applied. She works for a decent and well known publisher that covers many magazines we all know. I thought oo ok, she can go on the "to talk to list"... I messaged and said, can we chat...
YOU APPLIED FOR THE ROLE!! I DIDN'T APPROACH YOU!?
People are weird.
YOU APPLIED FOR THE ROLE!! I DIDN'T APPROACH YOU!?
People are weird.