The way I see it is that Labour are on very thin ice and even if they did have a plan for something they would have to be very careful what they say because if they say the wrong thing they are finished for good and they know that. If they lose more seats in the 2024 election they are done. No more Labour, so they will probably not be saying anything about things that could do to pull the UK out from the mess.
This is getting ridiculous (energy prices - Strictly NO referrals!)
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You are right on the sentiment, but not on the pandemic example there, since the OBR forecasts put Brexit inflicting about twice the economic damage Covid has done.
Thats a touch convenient though isnt it. Its the "we have a plan that will work and solve things but we cant tell you...its a secret....shhh! Oh no, we cant possibly say what it is and how it will work but trust us (because Politicians are clearly highly trustable
) we do really and it will all be fine, just vote for us and then we'll tell you the plan afterwards...teehee"
Totally agree.
I'm not saying Labour are perfect they are far from it but they are the best we have and miles better than the Tories who only represent the rich. Labour represents everybody. Labour are a lot more trustable than the Tories.Thats a touch convenient though isnt it. Its the "we have a plan that will work and solve things but we cant tell you...its a secret....shhh! Oh no, we cant possibly say what it is and how it will work but trust us (because Politicians are clearly highly trustable
That's just the way the system is set up though. The role of the party of opposition is there to hold the current Govt to account, not to say what they would specifically do. It would be a waste of their time and resources to keep coming up with manefesto level pledges on everything that happens through a term, when there is nothing they can do about it or even present to the public to be voted on. It's no different to when Labour were in and the Tories were in opoosition.
But when election time comes around, that's when opposition parties put forward their plans for the next election cycle. So hate the game, not the player
And in answer to what Labour would likely do different to the Tories, is basically put in more support for the poorer sections of society. But as a nation we generally don't like that, except when the middle classes suddenly become the poorer sections of society
I've yet to see proof in my lifetime (having seen 50 years of various governments) that Labour are the best we have. Certainly if Diane Abbott is an example of the best we have then we are all doomed
, I've equally in all those decades yet to see practical proof that Labour represents everybody and I have 100% not seen evidence that Labour are a lot more trustable than the Tories (trustable and politician , of any party, is not a combination of words I would ever use)Not sure if you can sign up for a Indian energy company then switch the region back to the UK
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Yeah, I've always noticed this about our political system. It's never about saying what you're going to do right, it's about what the other party is doing wrong. It's basically just a bunch of schoolkids in the playground shouting at each other:
"you're ****"
"no you're ****"
"yeah, but you're more ****"
etc...
Coupled with what @Puzzled says about short-termism; no political party is going to invest in something which isn't going to bring benefits until 10 years down the line, because that won't win them the election in 3 years.
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I wonder how much savings would be made if winter fuel allowance was means tested, I know one 'wealthy' individual that claims it for two houses and the money is just used to treat himself, not needed at all.
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What do you think about the windfall tax labour are proposing? Tories argument is that it will put off the companies investing in the North sea?
As the Winter Fuel Payment is paid per person how are they claiming any more than if they had one house, or ten?
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I've just checked and your correct, he has two properties but claims as one person, the point still stands though, he doesn't need the money.
Maybe they don't need their state pension either so we can take that off them.
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But I'm not saying that am I.
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By what, 0.25% or something? Probably needs to be 10% really to counter inflation but of course that won't happen because everything would implode.
I know you're not but if you're going to start taking things away because people don't strictly "need" them where are you going to stop?
I've yet to see proof in my lifetime (having seen 50 years of various governments) that Labour are the best we have. Certainly if Diane Abbott is an example of the best we have then we are all doomed
For every Diane Abbott there's a failing Grayling or "pork markets" Truss. I doubt there's a single party that doesn't reward incompetence at least some of the time.