This is getting ridiculous (energy prices - Strictly NO referrals!)

[Energize]

UK economy will become uncompetitive if we don't get cheaper energy centrally generated. https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/electricity_prices/


bigger 10kg machines can be a false economy if the energy use isn't proportionately less, although with the bigger drum, bigger items washed better, if you mix item sizes exploiting a bigger drum small stuff gets tangled though, and washed less efficiently. I don't know what which recommends.
Overnight running too with an appropriate energy tarif would probably save more.

Getting data on the washing machines/appliances power consumption is still a pain with limited data from smart meters/IHD ... I need a Consumer Access Device

Consumer Access Devices | Real-Time Energy Data |Chameleon Technology

A Consumer Access Device (CAD) securely accesses real-time smart meter data & sends that data to a cloud service, unlocking key benefits for consumers.

chameleontechnology.co.uk

https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/sites/default/files/docs/2015/02/beama20connected20homes_0.pdf

You just need a plug in watt meter, I have a 7kg washing machine and on the 60min cycle at 30 degrees it used 0.481KWh, 40 degrees it used 1.164KWh and 35litres of water according to my water meter.

Do BG not offer a Direct Debit Whole Amount Option like many other suppliers? you usually have to call to go onto it.
I dont understand why anyone pays a set amount per month, pay for your exact usage and you can avoid issues.

Because it's very convenient for budgeting, I pay a fixed amount by direct debit and just periodically check the app to see what my debit/credit and energy use is and adjust my direct debit a little if I feel the need to. I like to keep my monthly discretionary income the same all year round so I know I can afford to maintain my lifestyle.

Problems generally arise only when people don't have a smart meter and can't be bothered to do meter readings.

Article on Drax, https://www.theguardian.com/busines...dex-of-green-energy-firms-amid-biomass-doubts

Honestly biomass seems like a bit of a sham, instead of burning coal we are cutting down forests to burn wood which can sometimes contain more pollutants than coal, the environmental aspect of biomass is questionable, it's based on this life cycle model where they say they'll plant new trees and in 50-100 years they will absorb the CO2 from all the burnt wood, but there are serious questions in the scientific community as to how viable the model is and some of the figures being predicted.

I just realised I wasted my time typing that out because there's another article right underneath that one.

Converting coal plants to biomass could fuel climate crisis, scientists warn

Experts horrified at large-scale forest removal to meet wood pellet demand

www.theguardian.com

Converting coal plants to biomass could fuel climate crisis, scientists warn

Experts horrified at large-scale forest removal to meet wood pellet demand


Plans to shift Europe’s coal plants to burning wood pellets instead could accelerate rather than combat the climate crisis and lay waste to woodland equal to half the size of Germany’s Black Forest a year, according to campaigners.
The climate thinktank Sandbag said the heavily subsidised plans to cut carbon emissions would result in a “staggering” amount of tree cutting, potentially destroying forests faster than they can regrow. Sandbag found that Europe’s planned biomass conversion projects would require 36m tonnes of wood pellets every year, equal to the entire current global wood pellet production. This would require forests covering 2,700 sq km to be cut down annually, the equivalent of half the Black Forest in Germany.

The majority of wood pellets are imported from the US and Canada, “meaning that there’s a huge added environmental cost in transporting the wood from the other side of the Atlantic”, said the report’s author, Charles Moore.
The planned biomass conversions – with Finland, Germany and the Netherlands leading the way – would emit 67m tonnes of carbon into the atmosphere, which would be unlikely to be reabsorbed by growing trees over the timescales relevant to meeting the targets set by Paris climate agreement, warned Sandbag.
In return, the forest-hungry power plants would produce less than 2% of the EU’s electricity needs – the same generation capacity built in Europe every year by wind and solar farm developers.
“It’s impossible to believe coal companies when they argue that the switch to burning forests could be good for the climate,” Moore said.

 

[LabR@t]

We need to go back to a preindustrial life style if we want to reduce or energy consumption.

 

[Brutal biff]

We need to go back to a preindustrial life style if we want to reduce or energy consumption.

Uk is nowhere near industrial as it once was tho its mostly call centres and warehouses majority of produced goods is imported in we make very little compared to what we once did

The most power hungry production in the uk may start to slow down or cease production completely if costs get worse as it would not be worth carrying on no doubt we will just be importing more

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

I wonder how all those EU bashers that complained about the energy efficiency agenda feel now
Do they still hark back to the days of 60/100watt bulbs and the race to use as much power as possible in your vacuum as a dummies proxy to cleaning power

I suspect not, they will be keeping quite again with being wrong yet again

 

[LabR@t]

I wonder how all those EU bashers that complained about the energy efficiency agenda feel now
Do they still hark back to the days of 60/100watt bulbs and the race to use as much power as possible in your vacuum as a dummies proxy to cleaning power

I suspect not, they will be keeping quite again with being wrong yet again

You can turn things off you know.

 

[jpaul]

You just need a plug in watt meter, I have a 7kg washing machine and on the 60min cycle at 30 degrees it used 0.481KWh, 40 degrees it used 1.164KWh and 35litres of water according to my water meter.

yes you can use(I do) a watt meter on a washing machine - but for heaviest hitter electric hobs/ovens, without a plug, neither those nor smart meter IHD are any good,
whereas data from (aftermarket) CAD like this guy uses with octopus > https://community.openenergymonitor.org/t/octopus-energy-smart-meter-feed/13178/42
you could nail it.

I'll swap to a smart meter when they are.

Getting data on the washing machines/appliances power consumption is still a pain with limited data from smart meters/IHD ... I need a Consumer Access Device

Consumer Access Devices | Real-Time Energy Data |Chameleon Technology

A Consumer Access Device (CAD) securely accesses real-time smart meter data & sends that data to a cloud service, unlocking key benefits for consumers.

chameleontechnology.co.uk

https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/sites/default/files/docs/2015/02/beama20connected20homes_0.pdf

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

You can turn things off you know.

Try reading again you seem to have got confused with the posted content.

 

[Minusorange]

Get ready for ridiculous food prices

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1522471289918787584

 

[platinum87]

Get ready for ridiculous food prices

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1522471289918787584

derivatives, food prices are rising due to cost of fertilizer etc, derived from gas/oil.

The chart you posted, is a zero sum game, with the greatest fool being the bag holder

 

[Minusorange]

derivatives, food prices are rising due to cost of fertilizer etc, derived from gas/oil.

The chart you posted, is a zero sum game, with the greatest fool being the bag holder

I take it you didn't bother to read the entire Twit thread

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1522471310999367680

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1522471346063687681

Some takeaways

$4.5bn flowed into commodity-linked “exchange traded funds” in the 1st week of March. Normally that takes a month. And as wheat futures prices hit their record high on Mar 7, specialist US wheat fund Teucrium had to issue new shares because of soaring investor demand

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Its nothing new and very difficult to prevent

Speculators will always move to something perceived to be in shortage

Remember trading places the film?

 

[robfosters]

Just checked my energy hub for April.

£361 combined. 3 bed semi, 5 occupants. I’m with EDF. £280 month before, so looking like an extra £80 a month.

 

[Brutal biff]

I know 1 thing the bloody bailiffs are going to be busy soon

 

[jpaul]

not really speculation - nitrogen fertilizer in uk is £750/t 3x the price pre-war ,itself manufactured using gas - so prices won't correct themselves;
even in ukraine areas where they are now planting wheat (bbc has a good podcast) they will have fertilizer issues too, since their gas is in Dnipro.
maybe UK will be ramping up truss's australian lamb imports, as home/irish production of beef declines, with feed prices.

If you didn't already panic buy your strong flour it's too late , Aldi, for one, have reduced their range.

 

[Karl]

What a difference a warm month makes. Used half the gas in April that we used in March, and managed to knock 70kWH off our electric usage last month compared to March.

 

[Tombstone]

I know 1 thing the bloody bailiffs are going to be busy soon

Probably a good career to be in for the next few years

 

[PlacidCasual]

Probably a good career to be in for the next few years

An aquaintance founded a debt recovery agency in 2007. In 2011 he had sold the business and was working out his time as the new owners took over. He is now a millionaire and runs a cruise holiday business on the side. Life of Riley. Timing.

 

[glenimp617]

I've been fixed for two years. It ends this October. The predications are that I will be seeing a 200% rise.

 

[Sasahara]

We need to go back to a preindustrial life style if we want to reduce or energy consumption.

Preindustrial life style would work, but how are you gonna select the 90% who must die to bring the population down to the preindustrial levels of 6-7 million?

 

[inferno]

Can anyone explain what the price cap means? We got a letter from British Gas saying our bill next year will be roughly £2500. Does that mean we don’t need to bother to try to reduce the heating/ hot water? The bill is capped so we can run it all day long?