This 'sugar tax' crap is doing my head in!

antijoke · 20 Jun 2018 at 14:51

CaptainRAVE said:
So now all the sugar products are smaller, but we are paying the same. Once again the British consumer gets screwed. What an oppressive country the UK has become.

Yeah, what I don't get is the deal with aspartme, I thought that thing was the devil, and yet it's in every sugar free drink. What gives?

Tefal · 20 Jun 2018 at 14:51

CaptainRAVE said:
So now all the sugar products are smaller, but we are paying the same. Once again the British consumer gets screwed. What an oppressive country the UK has become.

Meh most companies just cut the excessive sugar so the price and volume stayed the same

Tefal · 20 Jun 2018 at 14:53

antijoke said:
Yeah, what I don't get is the deal with aspartme, I thought that thing was the devil, and yet it's in every sugar free drink. What gives?

Because it's one of the most heavily tested additives going and no one has ever found any legitimate health concerns.

But because it's in a lot of things internet loonies jump on it for causing everything from autism to Zionist mind control

PaulCa · 20 Jun 2018 at 14:53

Dj_Jestar said:
All contraceptive were cut to 5% VAT from 17.5% by Gordon Brown.

They are also completely free at your local family planning clinic.

antijoke · 20 Jun 2018 at 14:53

Tefal said:
Because it's one of the most heavily tested additives going and no one has ever found any legitimate health concerns.

But because it's in a lot of things internet loonies jump on it for causing everything from autism to Zionist mind control

Oh, so it's harmless? And just internet ******** about the effects of it?

CaptainRAVE · 20 Jun 2018 at 14:56

Tefal said:
Meh most companies just cut the excessive sugar so the price and volume stayed the same

So then the price should fall too.

MikeTheNative · 20 Jun 2018 at 15:08

antijoke said:
Oh, so it's harmless? And just internet ******** about the effects of it?

Yep, similar to vaccines. There was a French study that linked cancer in rats to aspartame consumption which is where it originally come from. Like the vaccines cause autism 'study' it has numerous wholes and questionable results, I think it turned out they were trying to sell some other sweetener.

krooton · 20 Jun 2018 at 16:15

CaptainRAVE said:
So then the price should fall too.

You underestimate how cheap sugar is in the scale these companies purchase it

Freakbro · 20 Jun 2018 at 17:09

Energize said:
I would definitely not say this is what a government is there for, I am not part of the far left.

You don't have to be far left to agree that the Govt is there to protect the health and safety of the population!

A nanny state is something I strongly oppose.

Everyone knows that excess calorie consumption is a big problem that effects the NHS, I'm probably more informed on the subject than you are having worked in public health. My opinions on taxation and regulatory issues are simply different because they are based on a political philosophy of individual freedom

I get the feeling you are on the Libertarian end of the scale?

Out of interest, considering the huge cost to the NHS of unsafe sex, would you also vote for the introduction of a sex tax if it were actually possible?

Haha! Hmm...thankfully it's not possible so I won't answer that one

(As of course my instinct says no, but it's a good point

)

Orionaut · 20 Jun 2018 at 18:19

PaulCa said:
They are also completely free at your local family planning clinic.

I may be wrong, but as I recall, you are only allowed 2 shags/week or so for the free ones.

(Bit like the single persons "Sex Tax" if you have more than so many shags/week, you are no longer deemed "Single" and will lose any benefits that you might otherwise have been receiving)

NewGamer11 · 20 Jun 2018 at 18:28

MikeTheNative said:
Yep, similar to vaccines. There was a French study that linked cancer in rats to aspartame consumption which is where it originally come from. Like the vaccines cause autism 'study' it has numerous wholes and questionable results, I think it turned out they were trying to sell some other sweetener.

It may have been that study where the dose of aspartame given to the rats was so high it would be impossible to replicate in humans, i.e. you'd need to drink something like >50 litres of Diet Coke (or whatever) in a short period. So you'd have more pressing concerns than aspartame poisoning, such as your stomach exploding.

Zenduri · 20 Jun 2018 at 18:39

MikeTheNative said:
Yep, similar to vaccines. There was a French study that linked cancer in rats to aspartame consumption which is where it originally come from. Like the vaccines cause autism 'study' it has numerous wholes and questionable results, I think it turned out they were trying to sell some other sweetener.

The whole Autism and vaccine thing stems from the fact that most cases of child diagnosed autism are only noticable and then diagnosed, by chance, around the same age that kids get the vaccines. 1 guy wrote a paper about this and falsely linked the two and bang.... the anti vaxxers were born

spoffle · 20 Jun 2018 at 18:51

HybridX said:
The whole Autism and vaccine thing stems from the fact that most cases of child diagnosed autism are only noticable and then diagnosed, by chance, around the same age that kids get the vaccines. 1 guy wrote a paper about this and falsely linked the two and bang.... the anti vaxxers were born

That same guy has since admitted that it was false, but people still believe it.

Holst1981 · 20 Jun 2018 at 19:08

I had this at the theatre.

Asked for coke, got diet..

No chance to get served again.

I'll have to start asking for real coke with sugar from now on.

Tefal · 20 Jun 2018 at 19:14

CaptainRAVE said:
So then the price should fall too.

Why? Its not cheaper to make.

It's the same price it was before

Tefal · 20 Jun 2018 at 19:16

antijoke said:
Oh, so it's harmless? And just internet ******** about the effects of it?

Yes, at least that is what the massive body of medical evidence says and is the position of all regulatory bodies

Energize · 20 Jun 2018 at 20:53

Freakbro said:
You don't have to be far left to agree that the Govt is there to protect the health and safety of the population!

Protecting the health and safety of the population by stopping an Ebola epidemic is not far left, but the sugar tax definitely is.

I get the feeling you are on the Libertarian end of the scale?

Yes.

When I was younger I was much more socialistic as that is the environment we are brought up in here in the UK, but it didn't take many years of adulthood before it became apparent how oppressive and ultimately authoritarian socialistic regimes inherently are in the way they treat adults like children and attempt to force healthy "choices" onto us for our own good whilst using the money that we worked for to do it.

MikeTheNative · 20 Jun 2018 at 22:05

NewGamer11 said:
It may have been that study where the dose of aspartame given to the rats was so high it would be impossible to replicate in humans, i.e. you'd need to drink something like >50 litres of Diet Coke (or whatever) in a short period. So you'd have more pressing concerns than aspartame poisoning, such as your stomach exploding.

Don't worry that did that as well, give rats which are prone to developing cancerous lumps anyways, grams of the stuff. Not even a human would consume how much these rats were given.

HybridX said:
The whole Autism and vaccine thing stems from the fact that most cases of child diagnosed autism are only noticable and then diagnosed, by chance, around the same age that kids get the vaccines. 1 guy wrote a paper about this and falsely linked the two and bang.... the anti vaxxers were born

The paper was by a doctor who tried to link vaccines containing mercury as an ingredient with autism. What he didn't declare was that he had a start up for vaccines that contained no mercury, ended up losing his medical licence.

itchy · 20 Jun 2018 at 22:10

I will pay the price and stick to normal sugar.

http://www.madehow.com/Volume-3/Aspartame.html

http://www.madehow.com/knowledge/G__D__Searle___Company.html

Donald Rumsfeld served as CEO, and then as President, of Searle between 1977 and 1985.

Follow the rabbit hole it goes very deep.

Tefal · 20 Jun 2018 at 23:21

itchy said:
I will pay the price and stick to normal sugar.

http://www.madehow.com/Volume-3/Aspartame.html

http://www.madehow.com/knowledge/G__D__Searle___Company.html

Donald Rumsfeld served as CEO, and then as President, of Searle between 1977 and 1985.

Follow the rabbit hole it goes very deep.

Why have you linked to a weird site that just copy pastes Wikipedia?

Also I have no idea why you think Donald Rumsfeld has any kind of power over the tens of thousands of laboratories, regulatory bodies, and scientists in the world. Let alone the kind of power that could cover up such a massive secret.

And not just give sit up but some how cure everyone of the the ill effects as there dont actually seem to be any people getting sick from consuming it