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Thoughts on early backlash against new AMD cards?

pieman109 said:
But is the increase in performance when overclocking the 7950 worth the extra £150-£200.
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This is true, but I'm knocking on the door or 7970 and 680 owners, and beating some of them. And as always, a single card producing the same performance over multiple cards is always the best option.

I do agree about the price though, I paid £260 for mine, brand new. I wouldn't have paid retail, I'd have stuck with my 5850 CF till prices come down.
 
Rusty0611 said:
I don't think most people are saying that though are they? I mean I'm not saying you're not entitled to your opinion on a graphics cards worth or anything (sorry if it came across that way!) but what I am saying is that what is worth it to one person (i.e. me) may not be worth it to another person and as such it kind of makes the issue a non-issue if that makes sense. Worth isn't something you can quantify. It depends on someone's financial position for starters amongst other things.

That's all I meant. It just saves the pages and pages of people saying they're happy with their 7970/680 and then the same amount of people saying it isn't worth £400 etc etc :)
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No offence taken at all mate, its difficult post sometimes as its very easy to misconstrue (great word that) exactly what people mean. Anyways, I agree that worth is entirely subjective, in the case of this round of gpus, the "general concensus of opinion" from what I've read is that these cards are overpriced for what they do. If someone can easily afford one of them, then more power to their elbow, but theres a lot saying that even though they can afford them, they're not worth the prices asked. Heres a question, how many ppl are happy with their cards, but still think they're not worth what they paid for them?
 
MilanoChris said:
This is true, but I'm knocking on the door or 7970 and 680 owners, and beating some of them. And as always, a single card producing the same performance over multiple cards is always the best option.

I do agree about the price though, I paid £260 for mine, brand new. I wouldn't have paid retail, I'd have stuck with my 5850 CF till prices come down.
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Totally agree with you mate, but even though you're knocking on the door of a 7970 and beating them through overclocking, is the increase in performance worth the extra money? Theres probably a lot of people would agree, and a lot who wouldn't, but as I said in me previous post, the general concensus of opinion that I can see is that they're overpriced for the perfor5mance increase offered over previous gen cards.

And can you get me one of those 7950s at £260 please.:D:)
 
Back to the OP's points and I can see what he means but I think they're both onto a winner.

With both AMD's and NVIDIA's latest cards pricing, It has led me to believe that the two are running some sort of duopoly<=cartel.
They both together seem to be in competition with our wallets and not each other.

The 7970 and 680 are £150 and £100 respectively dearer than I thought they would/should be.
If rumour is correct and the 680 should have been the 660something then it should have been a lot cheaper still.
But then again what is the main determining factor behind those pricing numbers? Has the cost of production gone up that much? Is the £ that weak at the moment? Good old greed?

With this it's just a numbers game and maybe they both should have changed their respective card numbering schemes and added a new TOTR model to work the con better.

I'm an 6970 user @1080p and haven't been tempted by either, then again I'm a bit over half way on a 2 year upgrade cycle so I'll see what they both have come Xmas.:o
 
How much was the 8800GTX back in the day?

I seem to recall paying £380 for it maybe?

So add inflation onto that and you have the price for one of the top single cards around, ie current 7970 prices.

Remember how much more the ultra cost.

If you look at it like that, the price of GFX cards has risen with the price of x, y and z, so it's all relative.
 
At the end of the day a graphics card is only worth what you are willing to pay for it...
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MilanoChris said:
How much was the 8800GTX back in the day?

I seem to recall paying £380 for it maybe?

So add inflation onto that and you have the price for one of the top single cards around, ie current 7970 prices.

Remember how much more the ultra cost.

If you look at it like that, the price of GFX cards has risen with the price of x, y and z, so it's all relative.
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I paid around £380 for a BFG OC2, which was a brilliant card.

After I RMA'd it because of terrible coil whine they sent me an Ultra.

My 4870X2 was cheaper I think as well. Both amazing cards.

Biffa said:
At the end of the day a graphics card is only worth what you are willing to pay for it...
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Very true, the GTX 680 is the most expensive pc part I've ever bought. Besides my 27" IPS monitor
 
Exact card that I had, fantastic piece of kit, lasted me 3 years I think.

I then bought a 5850 Black Edition for around £200, lasted me 18 months before I got impatient and made an impromptu purchase for a second one, which to be honest, still smashed out BF3, with minor things turned down, albeit with a lot of heat and noise.

I'm hoping my 7950 lasts a good while, and when it's showing its age, I'll get a second one.

I think we live in a society of wanting everything for nothing. Top of the range graphics card in 2007 cost £380, it's around £40 or so more today, hell, £380 gets you a 7950 and some change, and even that's enough for all games out today unless you're running over 1920*1200 or loads of monitors, in which case, is an extra £50 or so for a 7970 really an issue considering the outlay on displays? I think not.
 
I hear what you're all saying about the prices compared to back in the day for graphics cards, but what about the other components in your PC. Have they been ratcheted up in a similar fashion?

Look at memory prices now. I'd have to dig out some old invoices but I'm sure they'd frighten the living daylights out me compared to today.
 
willb1967 said:
I hear what you're all saying about the prices compared to back in the day for graphics cards, but what about the other components in your PC. Have they been ratcheted up in a similar fashion?

Look at memory prices now. I'd have to dig out some old invoices but I'm sure they'd frighten the living daylights out me compared to today.
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I paid a lot more for 8GB DDR2 than I did for DDR3, that's for certain.

Motherboard is about the same and so is the CPU. GPU's on the other hand are quite a bit more.
 
TheMorningStar said:
If the 7870 hits around the £200 mark I may buy one. After the whole AMD price hike, I now have no brand loyalty/preference towards them. I no longer recommend AMD for new builds.

I became so disinterested in graphics cards when these prices hit I just haven't looked at cards in a month, that's pretty telling from an I.T. Technician who loves his gaming.
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Yeah and even though there are quite a few better cards out there, because its so up in the air and doesn't offer great value (for me anyhow) i am reluctant to change from my GTX460 just yet and am happy to wait for the bigger upgrade.
 
I bought a 7970 at launch for £400, great card but pricey, had a bit of buyers remorse due to the price and sold mine now. Downgraded to a GTX 480 as id rather have the money, so im about £250 better off which is going towards holiday, and I have a 480 on it's way aswell, sure it will do fine in most games. Will probably go high end again after the summer, hopefully saner prices will return by then :/ ..
 
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Heres a thought: the two companies are basically charging what they think they can get away with and thus arent willingly to price cards to outdo the competition on cost (AMD) and aren't willing to thrash the opposition on performance if the opportunity is available (nVidia). Or at least that's the consensus.

What if someone decided to crash the party? Say Intel as a suspect as they are: Big Market players, do know a bit about graphics and have AMD on the ropes right now over Bulldozer and thus an oppurtunity to cut their other main revenue stream could finish them as competition on both fronts.
Do you think that would result in us seeing GPUs no longer the priciest component and actual leaps in cost and/or performance between generations? Or have the greens and reds gotten too fat off profits and predictable rivals to be revolutionary anymore?
 
nineteenforty4 said:
What if someone decided to crash the party? Say Intel as a suspect as they are: Big Market players, do know a bit about graphics and have AMD on the ropes right now over Bulldozer and thus an oppurtunity to cut their other main revenue stream could finish them as competition on both fronts.
Do you think that would result in us seeing GPUs no longer the priciest component and actual leaps in cost and/or performance between generations? Or have the greens and reds gotten too fat off profits and predictable rivals to be revolutionary anymore?
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Intel's attempt at a discrete GPU, Larrabee, didn't work out too well.
 
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